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If you find the security queue from C to B is too long I think you can still go through immigration and down to the Welcome Lounge without backtracking.
But flights from the US could arrive anywhere in T1 – A, B, C or a remote apron stand then a bus ride to B international arrivals. Unless you know FRA reasonably well it might be best to go through immigration and head towards the Welcome Lounge which is (more or less) on the way to the train station since your aim is not to maximize your FCL experience but to go to Stuttgart and back.
In the case where the IAD-FRA flight arrives near the FCL in A, can I go through immigration to get to the FCL near A26 and after shower and breakfast, re-enter to arrivals through immigration, then place carry-on in left luggage and take train to Stuttgart? Never done the double immigration ritual, so don't know if thats a problem or not. I have onward flight to BKK that evening...
If you will accept this suggestion from a fellow Porsche owner, you might consider the merits of Option 2.
Arrive tired or jet-lagged and the car-rental experience might require more time and effort than it is worth. Although switching the seat and steering wheel heater switch on is enjoyable in the fall and winter, if I were really tired I would prefer the First Class seats on the train. With both Avis and Hertz my wife and I have had more than a few cars we reserved not available, resulting in a replacement vehicle.
On the subject of moving violations, the helpful information above is quite correct, especially regarding infra-red. A speeding citation at 400 Euro + can somehow take the fun out of driving a Porsche in Germany, oddly enough. Citations involving a rental will continue to follow you home if not paid, with a large penalty too.
Returning to your original thread: Either way you decide to choose, the museum is well worth the visit. The 917 and 959 on display always amazes. Ensure that your camera, Ipod, or android is fully charged for many photographs.
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In the case where the IAD-FRA flight arrives near the FCL in A, can I go through immigration to get to the FCL near A26 and after shower and breakfast, re-enter to arrivals through immigration, then place carry-on in left luggage and take train to Stuttgart? Never done the double immigration ritual, so don't know if thats a problem or not. I have onward flight to BKK that evening...
Cheers,
-Cyborg
Haha... nearly lost the animal tracks!
There have been reports of pax being asked where they are connecting to when going through immigration by A65, but if you tell them you are going to the FCL (which is right next to passport control on the same floor) you should be ok.
After visiting the FCL A there's no reason for going through passport control to re-enter arrivals. If you are departing to BKK on LH, you will want to go to the FCT when you return from Stuttgart. It will be more convenient to leave your carry-on in luggage storage for a few Euros which you should find landside on your way to the railway station.
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
Haha... nearly lost the animal tracks!
There have been reports of pax being asked where they are connecting to when going through immigration by A65, but if you tell them you are going to the FCL (which is right next to passport control on the same floor) you should be ok.
After visiting the FCL A there's no reason for going through passport control to re-enter arrivals. If you are departing to BKK on LH, you will want to go to the FCT when you return from Stuttgart. It will be more convenient to leave your carry-on in luggage storage for a few Euros which you should find landside on your way to the railway station.
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If you will accept this suggestion from a fellow Porsche owner, you might consider the merits of Option 2.
Arrive tired or jet-lagement vehicle.
On the subject of moving violations, the helpful information above is quite correct, especially regarding infra-ged and the car-rental experience might require more time and effort than it is worth. Although switching the seat and steering wheel heater switch on is enjoyable in the fall and winter, if I were really tired I would prefer the First Class seats on the train. With both Avis and Hertz my wife and I have had more than a few cars we reserved not available, resulting in a replacred. A speeding citation at 400 Euro + can somehow take the fun out of driving a Porsche in Germany, oddly enough. Citations involving a rental will continue to follow you home if not paid, with a large penalty too.
Returning to your original thread: Either way you decide to choose, the museum is well worth the visit. The 917 and 959 on display always amazes. Ensure that your camera, Ipod, or android is fully charged for many photographs.
The train will get you in around an hour to Stuttgart. The cab will take about 15 min to the museum (you could also take a commuter train called S-Bahn to reach the museum).
It takes me usually 1,5 hours by car (off-peak hours) to get from FRA to Stuttgart during off-peak hours. Traffic jams in and around Stuttgart are quite common and will require more time to get there.
There are a few speed limits on the way to Stuttgart but most of the highway towards there is without any. Except of a permanent speed trap near Darmstadt there are not many speed checks on that stretch (iam using that highway pretty often, at least once a month). Road works are usually areas where speed check are regulary done. Away from that the chances to get caught are rather remote, but it doesnt mean they are not existing.
I would stick with the train, its more relaxing. German highways can be a stressful experience especially if traffic is dense.
Enjoy the museum. If time is permitting the Mercedes Museum is also worth a visit. But it may be to much cars in one day.
As FROM you'd have to enter "Stuttgart Hbf", TO is just "Porsche Museum"
I'd recommend the S6 option in this case due to total travel time and minimized walking time/distance.
Taking a Taxi might take about 15 mins according to the traffic, as rush hours in Stuttgart can be quite tough. There's also a chance of demonstrations in front of the station and around due to it's reconstruction. If this is the case and the roads are blocked you can go down one level to the S-Bahn.
In case you've already done it...what was the option you took?
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Ok, so here is the result of my day tour of the Porsche Museum.
Arrived by bus to B and it was the nightmare scenario with security line jammed up to get top the B FCL, so I just bailed out and settled for the Welcome Lounge where the breakfast was not so interesting and I became bored.
The DB train ticket I purchased online was discounted and very specific about time. I wore out my use of the Welcome Lounge with 1.5 hours before the ICE train to Stuttgart, so decided to store the carry on bags and walk around to rehearse the FCT walk for later.
Discovered the ease of walking to the FCT and must advise it is just a turn left from arrivals and walk straight (crossing streets in your path) until you reach the coffee shop for the taxis, then you are just crossing the street to the left, but continuing in the same direction. The entrance to the FCT on the arrivals level was interesting. The "restricted" door opened automatically on approach and you can take the elevator to the Departure (proper) entrance. Played this out later that day (after returning from the Porsche Museum.
The ICE train is a very nice way to travel on a day trip in Germany. Getting to the Porsche Museum was a simple transfer from ICE on the main platform to the S local train underground and over to the side of the station (ask for directions from station folks).
When your reach the Porsche stop its all there and very easy :-)
On the return, jet lag caught up with me and I wanted to catch a train 1.5 hour earlier - this resulted in an extra E50 charge, oh well.
All things considered I can recommend this type of day trip for a layover NA to SEA via FRA. Just be ready to adjust to life's little challenges.
On another note: 2 LH 747 flights were both old F, but very (and I mean VERY) great crews :-) Seat 83C, but really spent the whole flight in 83A. They just made the bed while I was changing into the sleepware and restored it to a seat when changing back to street clothes.
Food was superb on both flights (419/782).
In BKK now enjoying a Silver Oaks Napa Cab while gearing up for the SPA F1 after enjoying a Martini in the Moon Bar of the Banyan Tree BKK - oops, mods will now move this thread again...
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Ok, so here is the result of my day tour of the Porsche Museum.
Arrived by bus to B and it was the nightmare scenario with security line jammed up to get top the B FCL, so I just bailed out and settled for the Welcome Lounge where the breakfast was not so interesting and I became bored.
The DB train ticket I purchased online was discounted and very specific about time. I wore out my use of the Welcome Lounge with 1.5 hours before the ICE train to Stuttgart, so decided to store the carry on bags and walk around to rehearse the FCT walk for later.
Discovered the ease of walking to the FCT and must advise it is just a turn left from arrivals and walk straight (crossing streets in your path) until you reach the coffee shop for the taxis, then you are just crossing the street to the left, but continuing in the same direction. The entrance to the FCT on the arrivals level was interesting. The "restricted" door opened automatically on approach and you can take the elevator to the Departure (proper) entrance. Played this out later that day (after returning from the Porsche Museum.
The ICE train is a very nice way to travel on a day trip in Germany. Getting to the Porsche Museum was a simple transfer from ICE on the main platform to the S local train underground and over to the side of the station (ask for directions from station folks).
When your reach the Porsche stop its all there and very easy :-)
On the return, jet lag caught up with me and I wanted to catch a train 1.5 hour earlier - this resulted in an extra E50 charge, oh well.
All things considered I can recommend this type of day trip for a layover NA to SEA via FRA. Just be ready to adjust to life's little challenges.
On another note: 2 LH 747 flights were both old F, but very (and I mean VERY) great crews :-) Seat 83C, but really spent the whole flight in 83A. They just made the bed while I was changing into the sleepware and restored it to a seat when changing back to street clothes.
Food was superb on both flights (419/782).
In BKK now enjoying a Silver Oaks Napa Cab while gearing up for the SPA F1 after enjoying a Martini in the Moon Bar of the Banyan Tree BKK - oops, mods will now move this thread again...
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Arrived by bus to B and it was the nightmare scenario with security line jammed up to get top the B FCL, so I just bailed out and settled for the Welcome Lounge where the breakfast was not so interesting and I became bored.
Thanks for the report. Glad to hear it worked out despite some inconvenience.
Non-Schengen B security in FRA seems to be getting worse. It's particularly annoying since US arrivals (like UK arrivals) should not need to clear security to (re-)enter the departure area but once you arrive at a bus gate there's no way of separating pax from "clean" countries from the rest. It's been putting me off connecting in FRA.
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Thanks for the report. Glad to hear it worked out despite some inconvenience.
Non-Schengen B security in FRA seems to be getting worse. It's particularly annoying since US arrivals (like UK arrivals) should not need to clear security to (re-)enter the departure area but once you arrive at a bus gate there's no way of separating pax from "clean" countries from the rest. It's been putting me off connecting in FRA.
Yes, agree, and my next trip on LH with a connection will be through MUC
Cheers,
-Cyborg
PS. A word of caution: The FCT staff mentioned transferring me to "B" late at night due to a weather delayed flight 782. Fortunately, I was transferred directly to the flight after a mild 45 minute delay. However, not getting into the details of the drop off in "B" I began to consider what kind of transfer and follow-on experience this would be. The staffer told me they were going to work CS for other flights in the terminal after closing the FCT. I would hate to see some FCT guest stranded in "B" looking at late night security during irregular ops with lots of stranded passengers. I also don't know how they could deliver you directly from FCT to FCL B.
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PS. A word of caution: The FCT staff mentioned transferring me to "B" late at night due to a weather delayed flight 782. Fortunately, I was transferred directly to the flight after a mild 45 minute delay. However, not getting into the details of the drop off in "B" I began to consider what kind of transfer and follow-on experience this would be. The staffer told me they were going to work CS for other flights in the terminal after closing the FCT. I would hate to see some FCT guest stranded in "B" looking at late night security during irregular ops with lots of stranded passengers. I also don't know how they could deliver you directly from FCT to FCL B.
They should be able to drive you to FCL B without leaving the secure area. After all they can drive you from the FCT to the plane and driving to FCL B won't be any different. They probably wanted to put all F and HON pax in FCL B and to drive them to their flight from there.
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They should be able to drive you to FCL B without leaving the secure area. After all they can drive you from the FCT to the plane and driving to FCL B won't be any different. They probably wanted to put all F and HON pax in FCL B and to drive them to their flight from there.
But we are going OT again.
So, getting back on topic, I still have the return flights 773 and 418. What can I do to compliment the visit to the Porsche Museum with that additional 6 hour layover in FRA? I'm open to suggestions before venturing off into a local Phuket village for some lobster
On the other hand, since the best and brightest members of the LH forum are kind enough to share their wisdom over here in the T&D area, I could take this opportunity to ponder the possibility of new or old F on the two 744 return segments, bus or gate arrival, maximizer potential of a 6 hour layover, F meals/beverages, FCL or FCT, and how this all relates to my 1K status with a low class mashup of two legacy carriers.
Will the Park Rangers take the bait and drag this dead animal back through the woods and dump it on the doorstep of an LH thread...
...or will they bury it where it lies, build a fence around the rotting carcass and lock it up?
Cheers,
Cyborg
PS. On a more cerebral note and with all respect for the MODs, combining a stopover with sightseeing, dining or entertainment is more tightly coupled with flights and airports then spending multiple days at a destination. In my mind the relationship between LH and Germany forums is balanced, not favoring one or the other, so where is the logical forum for this type of discussion for a specific trip combing both topics?
But wait, I feel an ill wind blowing, oh no, its the "Nothing" coming to move this to Community T2 Nooooooooo....
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So, getting back on topic, I still have the return flights 773 and 418. What can I do to compliment the visit to the Porsche Museum with that additional 6 hour layover in FRA? I'm open to suggestions before venturing off into a local Phuket village for some lobster
If you are not careful the thread might end up here.
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On the other hand, since the best and brightest members of the LH forum are kind enough to share their wisdom over here in the T&D area, I could take this opportunity to ponder the possibility of new or old F on the two 744 return segments,
and how this all relates to my 1K status with a low class mashup of two legacy carriers.
That sounds like a foreign territory but wait! there's this and this to make you feel more at home.
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Will the Park Rangers take the bait and drag this dead animal back through the woods and dump it on the doorstep of an LH thread...
...or will they bury it where it lies, build a fence around the rotting carcass and lock it up?
So everything you'll ever want to know is no more than one click away from the comfort of your own safari lodge.
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PS. On a more cerebral note and with all respect for the MODs, combining a stopover with sightseeing, dining or entertainment is more tightly coupled with flights and airports then spending multiple days at a destination. In my mind the relationship between LH and Germany forums is balanced, not favoring one or the other, so where is the logical forum for this type of discussion for a specific trip combing both topics?
But wait, I feel an ill wind blowing, oh no, its the "Nothing" coming to move this to Community T2 Nooooooooo....
For the sake of those that might spend more than 6 hours, it needs to be pointed out that the various Conferences and Display Shows ( Messe) occur frequently in Frankfurt.
That can add up and result in the lack of hotel rooms in the greater city region, and crowds. Plan accordingly and ahead of time.
Regarding the question of what else one can do in Frankfurt: Frankfurt is a good city for purchases, and as it is now September (here-today), this is a good time to consider Christmas shopping. Just bring your jacket, hat, and gloves from September on.
