Actually, F9's credit card processing company is responsible for their fate because it was their arbitrary upping of the reserve in spring 2008 during the credit crunch that caused F9's C11 filing.
- There was nothing arbitrary about First Data's actions. FDC had been out on a limb for some time with Frontier. They have a primary responsibility to their own employees and stockholders.
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can easily see how some people would put a black hat on WN for swooping in after Republic had already set up a way for F9 to continue as a going concern. But...that's life in the business world.
- There is nothing to indicate that BBedford intends to run Frontier "as is" for an extended time. He stated that was his intent with Midwest, but has already started to gut it. Before the SWA offer, the FRontier pilots were in a lather about the indications that Bedford was planning to cut the AirBus fleet in half and put them on RJs.
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All WN wants to do is buy F9, get it's gates, try to buy some loyalty and then shut it down. The F9 model is completely contrary to the WN model - different aircraft, hub-based, reserved seats. Months ago, WN assumed F9 would never come out of bankruptcy. Now that its tweaked its operations and become profitable WN's only interest is to eliminate a competitor. Of course, I suppose that's just the free market.
Unfortunately, to many of us, F9 is a great piece of Colorado culture - and we'll miss it (and the few thousand local jobs).
Why do people keep saying things like that? It'll require the same amount of jobs to run the Southwest/Frontier operation in DEN as it always has. It just may end up being different people in those jobs, but they'll be from Denver.
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Why do people keep saying things like that? It'll require the same amount of jobs to run the Southwest/Frontier operation in DEN as it always has. It just may end up being different people in those jobs, but they'll be from Denver.
F9's headquarters is Denver; therefore executive offices, training, human resources, (I think) maintenance base, reservations call centers (I think), and so on are all there. When WN dismantles F9, it will maintain most of those functions in DAL, no? So there will definitely be job losses in Denver.
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i kinda think wn would use the frontier's international experience and really develop that. maybe a big expansion into canada. as has been said,"the low hanging fruit has been picked". wn is now having to do different things to grow like expanding into bos, and lga. there is just a whole lot of frontier that they can use to grow. even lynx.
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there is just a whole lot of frontier that they can use to grow. even lynx.
You really hit the nail on the head. I highly recommend that all readers of this thread listen to the conference call linked below. It covers every issue you can think of except FF programs. I believe that F9 fans will find it encouraging.
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I thought Frontier was bought out by Republic? I'm confused...
I'm fairly certain your take is correct. Republic's purchase will likely result in continued competition at DEN, which is problematic for UA. This will likely be good news for DEN flyers, bad news for UA.
Luckily for UA, UA will be able to draw from newly joined CO alliance as CO previously operated a hub in DEN and still have a significant frequent flyer membership based in DEN.
