Your quote is all they say aboout LPE, so I can't read anything else but what I said. What about the French Gold AF/Amex card holders? They earn miles, so theoretically you can become PE without flying one single mile. Okay, you have to be a big spender, but it is certainly not impossible.
I agree that a French Amex holder can qualify as LPE based on his spendings, but I cannot imagine that an "extra kaarthouder" on the Dutch Amex can qualify as LPE based on the flying pattern of the "hoofdkaarthouder".
I agree that a French Amex holder can qualify as LPE based on his spendings, but I cannot imagine that an "extra kaarthouder" on the Dutch Amex can qualify as LPE based on the flying pattern of the "hoofdkaarthouder".
If you want to say "that doesn't make sense" I agree, but what does with FB?
After the changes to the FB program have been communicated and knwoing that AF-KL will not re-consider any time soon, I am wondering how you folks are going to address this insult?
I am in the situation of being @ year 5 of PE and with the current changes I see no option to maintain PE for another 5 years to reach LTPE (which was the original plan).
Hopefully with travel through 3/31 I will be able to get to 55k and the rest should fall in place, but for 2010 I will get a status match on *A or maybe the new Delta, if I want to remain within ST. FB is done for me, for good, no return.
For me the situation is the same 5 years PE and they insult me like this??
Trying to stay PE (70.000 level points) on Amsterdam BKK after April 1st 2009:
And KLM is telling that the percentage of the points is adapted better to the price???? My excel calculations show different!
Before it cost me € 5.406,80 to be PE, now it costs me € 9.678,24! How they can explain this to me???
They are just cutting costs and wrap this up with some stupid marketing story. What is the use of staying PE? I don't know it anymore!
To me it seems like other airway companies start to be more attractive. Before I always flew KLM, but if they don't reconcider before the end of the year I will change to Thai Airways.
If I have to think about an additional program then Turkish program is the best for me since when they started cooperation with Star Alliance (they are full members)-
Besides the recent history they have new planes, reasonable prices and Gold membership (40000 miles) last for 2 years. This gives me a lot of flexibility.
2 negative points only but I do not care too much: redemption is not easy and cost a lot on taxes; TK hub is IST and, if you are based in Europe, it is interesting only if you travel to Africa, ME and Asia mainly.
Main positive point: lounge access to all Star A lounges....
I'm off to BA Executive Club & OW. I'll pay the extra to go WT+ (and the occasional CW when I'm feeling a little prosperous) -- at least I'll get something for my money: more comfortable flights + 125% miles (+ another 25% once I make silver after a couple of return trips to the Middle East), all for a price that's less than what AFKL think I ought to be paying for 100% of their devalued miles in 3-4-3 cattle configuration after April 1st.
Actually, I had a Y booking with AF for this summer which I went and canceled in disgust (I'd actually paid extra to get V-class ). Took a penalty hit of $300, and re-booked on AZ. Their price was more than $300 cheaper than AF, so I'm still ahead financially, and hopefully will get 100% miles (but don't really care -- I just wanted out from AF; not spend 13 hours in cattle class out and back feeling like a real sucker).
Then it's ciao ST (except for burning the 300K miles I've accumulated). I'm switching to US Airways for my domestic US flying -- o.k., so it's probably the crappiest of the US legacies. But all my US domestic travel is down to VA & NC from Long Island, so I guess I can put up with them for these short trips. At least they fly from my local airport 10 miles away -- I don't have to go barreling 60 miles down the road any more in metropolitan area traffic to JFK or LGA to catch DL. And their prices are pretty competitive with DL's.
Maybe one last cheapo domestic trip with DL some time next year to make a soft landing to silver in 2011 and that's it -- I've had enough.
And KLM is telling that the percentage of the points is adapted better to the price???? My excel calculations show different!
Before it cost me € 5.406,80 to be PE, now it costs me € 9.678,24! How they can explain this to me???
They are just cutting costs and wrap this up with some stupid marketing story. What is the use of staying PE? I don't know it anymore!
To me it seems like other airway companies start to be more attractive. Before I always flew KLM, but if they don't reconcider before the end of the year I will change to Thai Airways.
By the way, compliments for your very detailed calculations!
This shows that Frequent Travellers are not stupid and FB managers should take more care of them.
And KLM is telling that the percentage of the points is adapted better to the price???? My excel calculations show different!
Before it cost me € 5.406,80 to be PE, now it costs me € 9.678,24! How they can explain this to me???
They are just cutting costs and wrap this up with some stupid marketing story. What is the use of staying PE? I don't know it anymore!
To me it seems like other airway companies start to be more attractive. Before I always flew KLM, but if they don't reconcider before the end of the year I will change to Thai Airways.
Great calculations. But: you forgot to mention that the cost of PE on AMS-BKK on level flights has remained the same
And don't wait until the end of the year (that way they will certainly not reconsider). Get a status match at bmi (see the bmi thread), get *G in a few weeks and then move over to TG.
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). Took a penalty hit of $300, and re-booked on AZ. Their price was more than $300 cheaper than AF, so I'm still ahead financially, and hopefully will get 100% miles (but don't really care -- I just wanted out from AF; not spend 13 hours in cattle class out and back feeling like a real sucker).
-- o.k., so it's probably the crappiest of the US legacies. But all my US domestic travel is down to VA & NC from Long Island, so I guess I can put up with them for these short trips. At least they fly from my local airport 10 miles away -- I don't have to go barreling 60 miles down the road any more in metropolitan area traffic to JFK or LGA to catch DL. And their prices are pretty competitive with DL's.
