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Originally Posted by Falco Peregrinus
There are no more awards in La Première, unless you upgrade from an expensive full fare ticket and cash a hefty bunch of miles (more than what used to be the miles required for an award in Première a few months ago, meaning they value your 4000 EUR revenue ticket for nothing). I guess the captain's family will have the P cabin all to themselves now.
The 400,000 miles quoted for NRT looks like the sum of a round trip award in Affaires (160,000 miles) plus two one-way upgrades to La Premiere (2 x 120,000 miles).
The 400,000 miles quoted for NRT looks like the sum of a round trip award in Affaires (160,000 miles) plus two one-way upgrades to La Premiere (2 x 120,000 miles).
If that is true, then unrestricted "F" is indeed now 5 times restricted economy. This works for other destinations, too after a quick read of the chart. So first class from Europe to Egypt and the Middle East is now 200,000 miles; North America is 250,000; The Carribean and the Indian Ocean is 300,000; to Africa and India it's 350,000; to South America or Asia requires 400,000; and to Australia and Micronesia is 500,000. Wow!
Now it is true that this is unrestricted, but that is MORE THAN TWICE what Miles and More charges for the same tickets in first restricted. And they also offer their elites the same opporunity to pay double miles for a rule buster award on their metal.
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If that is true, then unrestricted "F" is indeed now 5 times restricted economy. This works for other destinations, too after a quick read of the chart. So first class from Europe to Egypt and the Middle East is now 200,000 miles; North America is 250,000; The Carribean and the Indian Ocean is 300,000; to Africa and India it's 350,000; to South America or Asia requires 400,000; and to Australia and Micronesia is 500,000. Wow!
Yes, CAI used to be a very cheap 80,000 miles on restricted awards , then went up to 110,000, and 140,000. It would seem it is now 200,000 miles, up from the previous 160,000 for an unrestricted award, but with no provision for a restricted award.
Unless I am mistaken, unrestricted awards in F are 6 times the amount needed for restricted economy on BA, but BA has restricted awards in F.
New rules have been posted for upgrades with miles. It now costs a small fortune to upgrade from J to P, e.g.:
Europe to USA, one way upgrade:
Voyageur to Affaires: 32 500
Voyageur to Premium Voyageur: 16 500
Premium Voyageur to Affaires: 16 500
Affaires to La Première: 75 000
The possibility to upgrade from Voyageur to Affaires (sort of double upgrade) is a nice touch though. I expect a lot of confusion among the FB staff...
The J to P upgrade EU to Asia (HKG, NRT, SIN...) is now priced at 120,000 one way.
Upgrade award is allowed:
- Economy to Business
- Economy to Premium Voyageur
- Economy to Alizé
- Alizé to Business
- Business to First (no fees, Flex conditions)
Caution: no upgrade award between Premium Voyageur and Business.
No upgrade is allowed from Premium Voyageur to Business
No upgrade is allowed from Premium Voyageur to Business
It is my understanding that upgrades from Premium Voyageur to Affaires are allowed (fare permitting, of course).
The award chart lists 4 different cases:
Quote:
Cabine Economique à Cabine Affaires
Cabine Economique à Cabine Premium Economique ou Alizé
Cabine Alizé à Cabine Affaires
Cabine Affaires à Cabine La Première
and for EU to USA (with no Alizé cabin), 4 different prices are quoted, not 3. They should have written:
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Cabine Economique à Cabine Affaires
Cabine Economique à Cabine Premium Economique ou Alizé
Cabine Alizé ou Cabine Premium Economique à Cabine Affaires
Cabine Affaires à Cabine La Première
Hi,
I have just noticed that the 750 minimum miles earned rule for European flights has disappeared from the new chart.
All European fare classes show xx% of distance flown with no minimum miles earned any more.
Would it mean that CDG-LHR in C would earn 432 miles (200% of actual distance, 216mi) instead of 1,500 miles until yesterday?
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Originally Posted by Malonda
Hi,
I have just noticed that the 750 minimum miles earned rule for European flights has disappeared from the new chart.
All European fare classes show xx% of distance flown with no minimum miles earned any more.
Would it mean that CDG-LHR in C would earn 432 miles (200% of actual distance, 216mi) instead of 1,500 miles until yesterday?
I noticed that this morning, too. hopefully just (another) software/translation glitch ...
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Anyone noticed that Business Award from Europe to North America has silently been "upgraded" or "updated" from 90K to 100K ?
It wasn't really silent. They announced months ago that all biz awards would be double the level of miles for regular economy awards to "make it easier for us to calculate/understand."
People keep saying that the previous rules are not legally binding due to the terms and conditions stating that changes might happen overnight etc etc. However, what happens if the website is not in line with the changes? I would have thought that whatever is written and even explained in detail on their WEBSITE as of now should be legally binding for now??? Example: look at the below, where they still keep going on about old rules being valid, this is even explicitly constructed in tables etc etc. http://www.klm.com/travel/gb_en/trav...ion/index.htm?
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Originally Posted by leonardoBR
People keep saying that the previous rules are not legally binding due to the terms and conditions stating that changes might happen overnight etc etc. However, what happens if the website is not in line with the changes? I would have thought that whatever is written and even explained in detail on their WEBSITE as of now should be legally binding for now??? Example: look at the below, where they still keep going on about old rules being valid, this is even explicitly constructed in tables etc etc. http://www.klm.com/travel/gb_en/trav...ion/index.htm?
Any lawyers here to comment and help please?
I think you might be right here. It also seems to me that even FB has rules about how they are supposed to communicate the changes that they can freely and unilaterally impose upon us which have certainly not been respected by any stretch of the imagination. Would anyone based in France willing to take this with 60 millions de consommateurs referring to the various lies and inconsistencies of FB including written answers claiming no change with partner airlines' earnings, contradiction between earning table and flyingblue-info.com website, etc? They might offer useful advice and indeed decide to echo the campaign against the changes and the way they have been announced.
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, then went up to 110,000, and 140,000. It would seem it is now 200,000 miles, up from the previous 160,000 for an unrestricted award, but with no provision for a restricted award. 
hopefully just (another) software/translation glitch ...
