I'm booking a trip from US to Paris and I can fly on a AF flight or a DL codeshare on the AF flight. If I use a SkyMiles Account, will I be impacted by the new Flying Blue mileage earning reductions going into effect 1 April?
If I book the ticket using the Delta codeshare, will that affect the amount of miles I accrue?
I'm booking a trip from US to Paris and I can fly on a AF flight or a DL codeshare on the AF flight. If I use a SkyMiles Account, will I be impacted by the new Flying Blue mileage earning reductions going into effect 1 April?
If I book the ticket using the Delta codeshare, will that affect the amount of miles I accrue?
Thanks!
SkyMiles is SkyMiles and Flying Blue is Flying Blue.... unless DL announces some similar changes at some point, nothing is going to change for you.
I think Johan was appropriately literary in assessment of how FB see us!
Indeed! I have no argument with his content or style. I was simply remarking on the extremely heavy emphasis: is there such a thing as an idiot who is not stupid?
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Here is some insight from a friend of mine who is intimately familiar with both the reasons behind the changes and the decision-makers themselves (paraphrasing):
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No possibility of any positive changes coming along at the minute...it was simply a case of the negative balance of the accumulated miles on AF/KL's bottom line being too much and measures had to be taken immediately to correct that.
No chance of changing the planned FB adjustments at all - the only way you would be able to do so would be by getting directly to the right people (which is easier on the KL front) and also by bringing negative publicity to them - eg. on consumer TV programmes, outside head office, on Dutch TV locally etc... otherwise I see you as being doomed to fail I am afraid!
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Here is some insight from a friend of mine who is intimately familiar with both the reasons behind the changes and the decision-makers themselves (paraphrasing):
I think your friend does, indeed, provide us with the only solution I can think of: negative publicity, complaining publicly, rubbishing the change in business travellers magazines, consumer magazines, etc. It is clear, by now, that they can't be bothered to reconsider the changes 'to be nice', so they will only do it if they realise that they may have even more to lose (and I don't just mean as a company, but the people who have instigated the change themselves and hope to be 'rewarded' for their brilliant solution) than to gain by sticking to their guns. See thread on petition...
... the only way you would be able to do so would be by getting directly to the right people (which is easier on the KL front) ...
Perhaps I'm a bit naive but, as many KL staff (esp. those in the lounges at AMS) stand to their jobs when these changes start to impact, then perhaps they may/should have a role to play in this campaign. Or are job layoffs another part of the FB "cunning plan?"
it was simply a case of the negative balance of the accumulated miles on AF/KL's bottom line being too much and measures had to be taken immediately to correct that.
That was obvious and understandable.
And that's what I currently try to demonstrate (but unfortunately I have no time to translate 20 pages of analysis in French, so feel free to translate the texts with Google)...
To me, the only issue is how they've decided to solve the problem
And on this topic, I suggest to be positive. Instead of always criticizing AF/KLM, I suggest to demonstrate that we can be move innovative and business oriented than some of their strategists, by collecting and providing alternative and better ideas to solve what happens to be a miscalculation in the original FB scheme.
To be continued...
Indeed it defies reason that AF did not try to solve its accumulated miles balance sheet problem in a different fashion, at least partly. In some other posts it was shown that the stake was huge compared to annual profits. Many airlines have lured flyers to use their miles to fill empty seats. BA, SQ and a few others are example, but AF does not; even its "promotions" have been discontinued for allmost a year. Another example, AF keeps offering very very few F seats TATL. I am trying to book F award rom IAH in April and no seats even though all flights are F8 or F7 (weirdly it does open seats in the other direction CDG-IAH). In contrary there are plenty of F award seats on BA.
Well, I hope to get rid of my last 60+k miles asap and then it's good riddance to FB and KLM/AF. Have had enough. Priced up a ticket to Hamburg last night. I get more miles for almost a third of the money flying coach between home town and HAM, with changes (2 segments each way) on SAS than I would with KLM.
I have to travel to the US in May, and my travel agency is currently offering me two options (I know, I know, why am I still looking at Skyteam ... well, the price can't be beat):
- Option 1: CO
- Option 2: a DL-issued ticket for DL-coded flights, including 1 BOS-FCO operated by AP for AZ ....
On option 1, the question is just how many miles will it earn me?
On option 2, the question is, aside from the earning on a DL-ticket, taking AF flights in part, do you even earn miles on an AP-operated AZ flight ....
The guessing is on .... I need to find some alternatives to challenge my travel agency ... maybe I can find a nice inaugural UA fare for GVA-IAD.
I have to travel to the US in May, and my travel agency is currently offering me two options (I know, I know, why am I still looking at Skyteam ... well, the price can't be beat):
- Option 1: CO
- Option 2: a DL-issued ticket for DL-coded flights, including 1 BOS-FCO operated by AP for AZ ....
On option 1, the question is just how many miles will it earn me?
On option 2, the question is, aside from the earning on a DL-ticket, taking AF flights in part, do you even earn miles on an AP-operated AZ flight ....
The guessing is on .... I need to find some alternatives to challenge my travel agency ... maybe I can find a nice inaugural UA fare for GVA-IAD.
Cheers,
A puzzled GenevaFlyer
If you fly in Biz and you go thru washington, the new UA flight is a no-brainer. They offer a true flat bed that is fairly well liked.
Question about miles. I booked a flight ticket on January. It's all skyteam flights. I'm wondering if my mileage% earned is correct for following flights?
All flights are of class "Q" and I'm flying in June.
LGW-CVG: AF (Operated by Delta): 25%
CVG-LAS: AF (Operated by Delta): 25%
LAX-DTW: NW: 100%
DTW-JFK: NW: 100%
JFK-AMS: NW: 100%
AMS-LHR: NW (Operated by KL): 100%
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I think Johan was appropriately literary in assessment of how FB see us!
