Slightly off topic, but I wonder how many of these elites have earned their status, and how many are corporate account etc. giveaways?
On a flight the other day, out of 22 pax on the upper deck, one was LTPE, one PE, one GE, and three corporate PEs. So almost three quarters of the pax had no FB status at all, of which at least five were non-revs, friends of the crew or whatever. Didn't look like there were too many elites to me.
Should they want to reduce the number of elites anyway, they could perhaps start by giving away fewer elite cards?
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Johan do you refer to the information stated on the PIL to state those? If you so when on the PIL an elite have also a CORP indication it means that he belongs to a company having negociated a contract with AF/KL but in no way those kind of contract grant automaticcally a PE level. As an exemple our company (small) negociated a contract for a yearly 100k€ spending (not much) and now on the PIL next to my name I have the corp indication but I still need to fly to get my status. The first year they gave a Gold status to the CEO but that was only for the first year.
Now for sure in large companies and large negociated contract they are give away cards includes in the deals but not that many. I would tend to think that most CORP PE do really fly to get there status
there is another meeting scheduled for mid-june but I never got replies on this. as soon as I get some information, I will let you know.
Given the trend I saw in these meetings (first one I attended quite informational and useful, second one less so, and third one "promising" but with several key points turning out to be false information), I'd say that a fourth one "never happening" would be in line.
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Given the trend I saw in these meetings (first one I attended quite informational and useful, second one less so, and third one "promising" but with several key points turning out to be false information), I'd say that a fourth one "never happening" would be in line.
I am already ticketed so this will happen. I don't want to discuss these meetings online, you know how to reach me - and I know your opinion. and we will not only discuss FlyingBlue at these meetings ... I have some other points on my list as well ... communication is not their core competence so that's where we need to improve ...
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Actually, being there on behalf of the FT community, we owe them an exhaustive report. Which we did for the last one, remember, as we posted photos of CDG2G and the (nice) catering offered to compensate for the lounge, which were the only insightful thing
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Actually, being there on behalf of the FT community, we owe them an exhaustive report. Which we did for the last one, remember, as we posted photos of CDG2G and the (nice) catering offered to compensate for the lounge, which were the only insightful thing
but I cannot discuss what will happen 3 months from now and you said it: we made a nice trip report of the last déjeuner travail in november. besides that there were not many news ... at least they did not want to let us know these
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Points earning on NWA after 1 April... apparently.
Make of this what you will... reliable information or lack of knowledge of some FB staff at Ivry sur Seine.
I wrote to FB yesterday asking if they could finally give some information on points earning on NWA post-April 1st. I got a reply this afternoon that says:
"Flying Blue has not received any communication that Norwest Airlines have changed their accrual for our members. Therefore, until further notice, please follow the accrual scheme that is currently in session."
So... T class booked on NWA will still earn 100% from April 1st but T class booked on KLM will drop to earn only 50% miles? Hmmm. Yes, I do appreciate some fare classes are different on different airlines, but I've bought lower priced "T" class tix on both KLM and NWA in the past year to earn 100%, and to my experience "T" is pretty much the same booking level for both airlines. Its just odd to think that from 1 April, so it seems, a seat on (for example) a NW flight booked with NWA in the USA in T class will earn 100% FB points, whilst the very same seat but booked with KLM in Europe in T class and with a KL codeshare flight # will earn only 50% FB points.
Anyway, thought I'd share this quote direct from FB today. Make of it what you will. Hope this is helpful rather than confusing things more.
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well, it's been that way all along with DL and AF - I booked AF flights under a DL code numerous times to get 100% miles... it's stupid, but it seems that's how it's gonna be...
OK, Johan...staying 'slightly off topic', what's a corporate PE?
Somebody who has been given PE status because of the company he works for, regardsless of whether he flies sufficiently to qualify of his own accord.
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And what is your secret for getting the status of fellow WBC paxs? I often find myself hanging around at the entrance to the gallery trying to read the pax-list hanging on the wall to the left of the entrance....just don't seem to be able to read it correctly. What should I be looking for?
On KL passenger manifests, there is a separate section in plain English listing all the elites. On the upper deck there are two sections, one for each FA. Since the list is usually folded several times, this part is not always visible to the casual observer. My "secret" is to glance at the list on my way out of the galley after getting a drink or snack. A very hit or miss method, it all depends on how the manifest has been folded and which way it is hanging.
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Somebody who has been given PE status because of the company he works for, regardsless of whether he flies sufficiently to qualify of his own accord.
Don't misread that list. "Given" corporate plat's are very very rare. "Given" GE is much more common. When you see corporate PE it is most likely a corporate GE who has flown enough to make PE, just like everybody else.
How do I know? Because that's how I became PE, and that's how I show on the list.
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Don't misread that list. "Given" corporate plat's are very very rare. "Given" GE is much more common.
I'm not so sure about that, especially in France. I think a lot of senior executives at large French corporations are given Platinum. That was the culture under Frequence Plus
I'm not so sure about that, especially in France. I think a lot of senior executives at large French corporations are given Platinum. That was the culture under Frequence Plus
VIPs are given Club 2000. Others might be given Plat initially, but I doubt that they keep it if they dont achieve the levels in subsequent years. They softland to gold, silver...
I'm not so sure about that, especially in France. I think a lot of senior executives at large French corporations are given Platinum. That was the culture under Frequence Plus
It was the case with FP and at the beginning of FB, but it has changed. It seems it's now Gold by default and not Plat any more.
Re: Corp Plat: The company I was working at during the end of Flying Dutchman gave us about 20 Royal Wing/Platinum Elite cards per year to divvy up between the execs and sr. managers. We generally were given more freebie Plat cards than we had sr. managers who weren't already qualifying Plat on their own and wound up giving them out to favored employees, secretaries, etc. Don't know how that is today with FB.
In the latest issue of the Flying Dutchman magazine, they continue their policy of intentional dissemblance:
Under the heading "Airline News | Flying Blue" on page 61, they write:
"Zo spaart u voortaan op een full fare ticket voor Economy Class 100% van de miles"
Note the word "voortaan" = henceforth. Yeah, right!
"In Business Class spaart U op lange afstanden voortaan geen 150% maar 175% van de afgelegde afstand in miles"
Gosh! They "forgot" about Z class! An innocuous, unintentional and minor omission, no doubt!
Then there is the foreword by Bram Gräber, Directeur KLM Nederland, who promises improved award availability. That's great! After ensuring that members will lose their miles after 20 months and that they will earn far fewer miles than before, they decide to increase availability, now that many flights are departing half-empty. Their generosity (by nature!) is just astounding!
They must think that their frequent flyers are a bunch of easily fooled stupid idiots!
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and we will not only discuss FlyingBlue at these meetings ... I have some other points on my list as well ... communication is not their core competence 
so that's where we need to improve ...
