Why not "Buying Blue Air"? Or "Buying Blue Sky" or simply "Buying Sky"??
It would allow them to continue with their fresh and volatile advertising with womens legs on air,planes on a blue and bright background etc
I think "Lying Clue" would be the best option.
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Why not "Buying Blue Air"? Or "Buying Blue Sky" or simply "Buying Sky"??
It would allow them to continue with their fresh and volatile advertising with womens legs on air,planes on a blue and bright background etc
This program is a joke. What a mess. What a ripoff. How can they pertain this is a serious international FFP?? I mean, come on... plus their planes are dirty and old (like the KL 747 combis).
All AFKL need to do is add another 200.00 EUR to their so-called fuel-surcharges (nonobstant le fait que le petrol est a 25 EUR le baril): I mean I am pretty sure that will chase away their remaining FTs.
I was thinking about posting some miles into my FB-account, but after checking out the upcoming changes, I have decided against it. I think it would even be more fun wiping my assa with my boarding pass instead of trying to get anything out of this FB-program...
Now you listen to me: I would strongly advise any remaining FB-members to go and look for something better somewhere else ... like I did a long time ago. You won't regret it!!
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Reason: I am even more angry than I first thought I was.
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45 pages later and nearly 3 weeks have passed and AFKL/FB have not replied to a single comment here.
That speaks a lot about how much the airline cares about its customers. Very sad when you think about Flying Dutchman or Frequence Plus times where the airlines seemed to care a little.
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That's what happens when you have all these "consolidating" mergers. The first ones to lose out are, as always, the customers. Vote with your wallet and leave AFKL asap.
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I was on a BA flight to America a few days ago, in business class, and I heard a lot of French voices around me. One of the stewardesses was French and she told me later that she had seen a huge increase of French passengers flying BA recently, especially in the business class cabin. Another BA stewardess was based in Rome and she said the same thing about the Italians.
It seems that French business people are voting on AF's decision by exercising their choice. As for BA, they are losing a lot of premium business due to the collapse of the banking sector, but they are picking up continental business customers who want good service, good prices, great seats, and a frequent flyer program that truly rewards business travelers.
I was on a BA flight to America a few days ago, in business class, and I heard a lot of French voices around me. One of the stewardesses was French and she told me later that she had seen a huge increase of French passengers flying BA recently, especially in the business class cabin. Another BA stewardess was based in Rome and she said the same thing about the Italians.
Not surprisingly, but not for FFP-related reasons. There are tremendous deals out of LHR (and Europe as a whole) on BA these days, and you need a reason not to select them when AF is much more expansive.
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It seems that French business people are voting on AF's decision by exercising their choice. As for BA, they are losing a lot of premium business due to the collapse of the banking sector, but they are picking up continental business customers who want good service, good prices, great seats, and a frequent flyer program that truly rewards business travelers.
Yes, they could have competed on a small market segment with their (formerly good) FFP. But they have been axing it (increase of reward to the US, planned decrease in accrual, planned increase in award, strong decrease of promo (it's been 6 month without a promo award on AF, so if you won't stoop to flying KL WBC, you're out of luck...) over the last few month instead.
However, I will change all my later flights to Asia and US to LH. Well, I guess 10-15k per year means really nothing to AF/KL.
Sorry to disappoint you, but, no, it doesn't. It represents, unless I'm mistaken, 0.000065% of their revenue. They have determined that people looking after FFP benefits are either in a captive market or too few to matter.
You only option is to leave if you don't consider their offer to be the best, if you can, or lament if you can't. They bet we won't have the choice. I am certain they calculated that if they lose of few thousands customers like you, they'd still be better off with a reduced program... It might not the best, but who cares (shareholders excepted) ? If the program no longer suits you, leave, and chose the best for yourself (as we did when selecting FB in the first place). I have reconsidered my travel pattern since the "overall price", FFP benefits included, has made AF uncompetitive for me. But I'm sure they won't care about it.
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Not surprisingly, but not for FFP-related reasons. There are tremendous deals out of LHR (and Europe as a whole) on BA these days, and you need a reason not to select them when AF is much more expansive.
Yes, price is number one. But if the frequent flyer program and ground service was better, most people would prefer to stick with their "national" carrier and pay a slight premium for that, as well as non-stop flights. But when both the price and the FF program are at issue, people are actually happy to transfer at LHR instead of taking a non-stop on AF/KL.
But when both the price and the FF program are at issue, people are actually happy to transfer at LHR instead of taking a non-stop on AF/KL.
Don't overdo it: I think BOM, SVO and LHR are a No-No to anyone who has the choice of picking their hub ... especially the many FTs here on flyertalk.com [!!].
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Don't overdo it: I think BOM, SVO and LHR are a No-No to anyone who has the choice of picking their hub ... especially the many FTs here on flyertalk.com [!!].
LHR used to be very bad. But with the new T5 working well, and the fabulous BA lounges for elite members, I don't mind transferring at LHR at all.
I like this name! They would choose this one 'cause it plays with sex and French like it
Another version could be "....ing Blue" but it is too vulgar and explicite for connaisseurs.
Honestly I do not understand their attitude. AF-KL can save money adding limitations to premium tickets or raising up the limit for gold or platinum levels but not undervaluating miles. It is unfair towards the miles you saved!
I mean, it's enough with all this trend of undervaluations... stocks down, currencies down... it is depressing
And when you discover they can have a different choice then you become angry
The reality is that they are exploiting the situation to cut and save.
A bit like layoffs from companies who are still in the black.
The problem is when you fire good employees... or good customers. You will not take them back easily!
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LHR used to be very bad. But with the new T5 working well, and the fabulous BA lounges for elite members, I don't mind transferring at LHR at all.
Totally agreed. It happens that LHR is my home airport for my primary residence, but I am quite happy to use T5 these days. I also fly a lot on *A and still on ST due to their connections from NCL where I have a secondary residence for work reasons. AFKL will certainly loose some business from me though I am likely to stick around currently due to their connections. My main allegiance however will definitely stay with OW and *A from now on though.
Also speaking of bad airports CDG is probably one of the worst in Europe so by comparison LHR is far better even in the crap terminals that have yet to be refurbished!
Don't overdo it: I think BOM, SVO and LHR are a No-No to anyone who has the choice of picking their hub ... especially the many FTs here on flyertalk.com [!!].
Sorry, but I doubt most sensible people would agree with you. How many times have you flown through LHR T5* recently**?!
* I am asking specifically about T5 because we're talking about a BA-BA transfer in this particular thread.
** I mean recently, i.e. after the T5 baggage problems have been sorted out.
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