Chinese 72h TWOV ex-HEL
Jun 28, 2016, 1:29 pm
#18
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@pantxa
Thanks for sharing - and I think 250€ was a cheap price.
Just for reference: was your HEL flight before or after your originally planned flight?
PS - they are not always that exacting. Last time they didn't mark the area of validity (Peking) in the temp permit.
Thanks for sharing - and I think 250€ was a cheap price.
Just for reference: was your HEL flight before or after your originally planned flight?
PS - they are not always that exacting. Last time they didn't mark the area of validity (Peking) in the temp permit.
Jun 29, 2016, 4:24 am
#19
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Did they not write the area of validity, or did they only write it in simplified Chinese, and left the Latin part empty? The latter has happened to me in XIY, but it most probably wouldn't fool a Chinese.
Jun 29, 2016, 7:31 am
#20
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Simply left it blank. No Beijing or 北京 in the permit - the previous time it was same permit with very visible Beijing/北京 validity stamped on it.
The lack of limitation wouldn't fool the border guards, but may get by the local police if you leave the city limits for whatever reason.
The lack of limitation wouldn't fool the border guards, but may get by the local police if you leave the city limits for whatever reason.
Jun 29, 2016, 8:03 am
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Jun 29, 2016, 8:06 am
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Thanks a million for telling! Unpleasant as that must have been, it is invaluable hands-on experience for the community. It is a thing a common FT'er might have contemplated and now we won't.
The fine isn't the worst. Deportation could mean difficulties getting visa in the future.
The fine isn't the worst. Deportation could mean difficulties getting visa in the future.
Jun 29, 2016, 8:07 am
#23
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@pantxa
Thanks for sharing - and I think 250€ was a cheap price.
Just for reference: was your HEL flight before or after your originally planned flight?
PS - they are not always that exacting. Last time they didn't mark the area of validity (Peking) in the temp permit.
Thanks for sharing - and I think 250€ was a cheap price.
Just for reference: was your HEL flight before or after your originally planned flight?
PS - they are not always that exacting. Last time they didn't mark the area of validity (Peking) in the temp permit.
Jun 29, 2016, 11:59 am
#24
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OK - I was just wondering if they flagged you missing from your HKG flight and found you on the HEL flight. If HEL would've been earlier, could you have gotten away?
Jun 29, 2016, 2:22 pm
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You need to present outward ticket (printed) at gate and at Chinese/PVG border control. You will also need to exit with that ticket. I ended up ditching the initial outbound ticket after the exit customs and boarded the plane back to Hel. I got pulled out of plane. 2 hrs of interrogations, 250e fine and deportation to Hong kong was the result.
I assume you took Finnair on HEL-PVG. At PVG you applied for the 72h-144h transit visa waiver. You showed the border guard a ticket for HKG within the 72h-144h time-frame?
You did not take the HKG flight, instead you tried to fly directly from PVG to HEL?
You wrote, you were pulled out of the plane. I do not get it. Chinese Immigration Service should have already caught you at the exit immigration checkpoint at PVG before security. They check your visa (in your case the transit visa waiver stamp) and the boarding pass. They should have noticed the problem. Instead - you tell us - they stamped your boarding pass and let your through? Right before the entrance door to the plane, a security worker will check this stamp. Again - he let you through? Only once you were on board, the Chinese Immigration Service pulled you out? Did you check in a bag?
How did the deportation went? Did they buy you a ticket to HKG? Or did they escort you to the plane door?
Jul 1, 2016, 3:40 pm
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Could you please elaborate a bit about the situation.
I assume you took Finnair on HEL-PVG. At PVG you applied for the 72h-144h transit visa waiver. You showed the border guard a ticket for HKG within the 72h-144h time-frame?
You did not take the HKG flight, instead you tried to fly directly from PVG to HEL?
You wrote, you were pulled out of the plane. I do not get it. Chinese Immigration Service should have already caught you at the exit immigration checkpoint at PVG before security. They check your visa (in your case the transit visa waiver stamp) and the boarding pass. They should have noticed the problem. Instead - you tell us - they stamped your boarding pass and let your through? Right before the entrance door to the plane, a security worker will check this stamp. Again - he let you through? Only once you were on board, the Chinese Immigration Service pulled you out? Did you check in a bag?
How did the deportation went? Did they buy you a ticket to HKG? Or did they escort you to the plane door?
I assume you took Finnair on HEL-PVG. At PVG you applied for the 72h-144h transit visa waiver. You showed the border guard a ticket for HKG within the 72h-144h time-frame?
You did not take the HKG flight, instead you tried to fly directly from PVG to HEL?
You wrote, you were pulled out of the plane. I do not get it. Chinese Immigration Service should have already caught you at the exit immigration checkpoint at PVG before security. They check your visa (in your case the transit visa waiver stamp) and the boarding pass. They should have noticed the problem. Instead - you tell us - they stamped your boarding pass and let your through? Right before the entrance door to the plane, a security worker will check this stamp. Again - he let you through? Only once you were on board, the Chinese Immigration Service pulled you out? Did you check in a bag?
How did the deportation went? Did they buy you a ticket to HKG? Or did they escort you to the plane door?
Deportation went fine. I bougth a cheap plane ticket and was accompanied in the airport by an old guy in the beginning, and 2 extremely friendly mid-20 girls for most of the time. Somehow I got a feeling that the old guy was supposed be with me but the babes took over by their own choice. Escort ended when I boarded the HKG fligth. Sadly no escort to plane door.
Jul 1, 2016, 3:41 pm
#28
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Nope. Nothing to do with the hkg fligth. Gate agent @ Finnair noticed my missing stamp and called immigration.
Jul 2, 2016, 5:52 am
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My question was again - did they indeed pull you out of the plane?
This is standard procedure. That stamp is sometimes checked by the gate agent - but always checked by the security guard standing in front of the plane door.
I know of this procedure, because I always print out two boarding passes. I must have lost my stamped boarding pass somewhere between exit immigration checkpoint and the plane door (I suspect it happened at the security checkpoint).
Anyway, what sounds fishy to me - how did Finnair or the security guy allow you to board the plane? ...because you have told us, you were pulled out of the plane.
Secondly, what boarding pass did you show to the Chinese exit immigration agent? This agent wont let you through without a boarding pass.
Did you show him a HKG-bound boarding pass? Did you sign an exit card, stating HKG as your destination. If yes, you have made quite a stunt. Holy Cow!!! And obviously you did not know about the stamp verification procedure. That procedure is in place to ensure compliance and the Chinese government knowing to which destination you are really flying to.
And you are quite lucky that you didnt land into more trouble.
Gate agent @ Finnair noticed my missing stamp and called immigration.
I know of this procedure, because I always print out two boarding passes. I must have lost my stamped boarding pass somewhere between exit immigration checkpoint and the plane door (I suspect it happened at the security checkpoint).
Anyway, what sounds fishy to me - how did Finnair or the security guy allow you to board the plane? ...because you have told us, you were pulled out of the plane.
Secondly, what boarding pass did you show to the Chinese exit immigration agent? This agent wont let you through without a boarding pass.
Did you show him a HKG-bound boarding pass? Did you sign an exit card, stating HKG as your destination. If yes, you have made quite a stunt. Holy Cow!!! And obviously you did not know about the stamp verification procedure. That procedure is in place to ensure compliance and the Chinese government knowing to which destination you are really flying to.
And you are quite lucky that you didnt land into more trouble.
Last edited by warakorn; Jul 2, 2016 at 6:16 am
Jul 3, 2016, 2:55 am
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My question was again - did they indeed pull you out of the plane?
This is standard procedure. That stamp is sometimes checked by the gate agent - but always checked by the security guard standing in front of the plane door.
I know of this procedure, because I always print out two boarding passes. I must have lost my stamped boarding pass somewhere between exit immigration checkpoint and the plane door (I suspect it happened at the security checkpoint).
Anyway, what sounds fishy to me - how did Finnair or the security guy allow you to board the plane? ...because you have told us, you were pulled out of the plane.
Secondly, what boarding pass did you show to the Chinese exit immigration agent? This agent wont let you through without a boarding pass.
Did you show him a HKG-bound boarding pass? Did you sign an exit card, stating HKG as your destination. If yes, you have made quite a stunt. Holy Cow!!! And obviously you did not know about the stamp verification procedure. That procedure is in place to ensure compliance and the Chinese government knowing to which destination you are really flying to.
And you are quite lucky that you didnt land into more trouble.
This is standard procedure. That stamp is sometimes checked by the gate agent - but always checked by the security guard standing in front of the plane door.
I know of this procedure, because I always print out two boarding passes. I must have lost my stamped boarding pass somewhere between exit immigration checkpoint and the plane door (I suspect it happened at the security checkpoint).
Anyway, what sounds fishy to me - how did Finnair or the security guy allow you to board the plane? ...because you have told us, you were pulled out of the plane.
Secondly, what boarding pass did you show to the Chinese exit immigration agent? This agent wont let you through without a boarding pass.
Did you show him a HKG-bound boarding pass? Did you sign an exit card, stating HKG as your destination. If yes, you have made quite a stunt. Holy Cow!!! And obviously you did not know about the stamp verification procedure. That procedure is in place to ensure compliance and the Chinese government knowing to which destination you are really flying to.
And you are quite lucky that you didnt land into more trouble.
I made an exit thru immigration with a valid pb, and the rerouted after immigration with 2nd ticket to Hel.