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Old Jan 23, 2019, 9:42 am
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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)

TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)

Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:

ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)

Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:

DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 9:09 am
  #871  
 
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Originally Posted by lkrt
Service is rather good in Y as well and you get to enjoy the excellent lounges at both LHR and HKG.
That shouldn't be taken for granted, as it depends very much on the crew taking care of service onboard. I flew CX in Y last time 1½yrs ago and intra-Asian flights were perfect, but service on both flights between Europe and HKG was mediocre at best, far below what I experienced on the only AY long haul flight in Y for quite some time. F lounges at HKG are great, however, and apparently also at LHR. On the other hand, if tier points are what you are after, that should be considered as one factor as well.
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 10:03 am
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I'd go for option 2 just because of the much shorter total travel time - 2x24 vs 2x15 hrs is a no brainer, especially in Y (no matter, that CX is supposed to be better - and I didn't enjoy their PEY on HKG-AMS overnight flight at all)
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 10:29 am
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Originally Posted by HJP
SQ would create a chance to try out their A350.
If it is the aircraft you wish to try then you can route through CDG instead, CX flies A350 on one of their rotations there.
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 10:52 am
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Originally Posted by Gnopps
If it is the aircraft you wish to try then you can route through CDG instead, CX flies A350 on one of their rotations there.
That "SQ A350" was only interesting because AY sells that option for SIN-KUL just like they sell MH/3K, and IIRC none of these options accrue any points to AY+.

Do note that 15hrs travel time is from HEL, I think stopover on AY is only permitted one way so on the way back we should fly KUL-SIN-HEL-ARN-HEL.

Tier points are a factor, but both accrue over 20k which is the minimum of I am looking for, the rest can be exchanged.
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 7:57 pm
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
I'm here thinking of my new season. PRG is now blocked for me, no same aircraft returns from PRG and no interest spending in 9 hrs in PRG.

So, is it back to lovely DELhi and miles earning? I miss Delhi already.
PRG-HEL-DEL-HEL-PRG €1434 in I, 50 000 points for AY Plats. Starts to sound far too interesting to me, too
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 9:12 pm
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I didn't mean that the customer service level was excellent, more that there are good food services with lots of drinks options also between meal services etc. Ground services work well and OWE recognition is done well.
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 9:27 pm
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Originally Posted by ffay005
PRG-HEL-DEL-HEL-PRG €1434 in I, 50 000 points for AY Plats. Starts to sound far too interesting to me, too
Yeah, but earning is weak. BUD-DEL-BUD is 488€ in Value Y, so C can cost 976€ or less.

488€ x 3 = 1464€ and 75000 points.
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Old Apr 24, 2017, 12:58 pm
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Originally Posted by HJP
That "SQ A350" was only interesting because AY sells that option for SIN-KUL just like they sell MH/3K, and IIRC none of these options accrue any points to AY+.
MH accrues to AY+ as any Oneworld member, except maybe for some special booking classes.

3K does not normally accrue to AY+. But Finnair sells AY codes on 3K. Those accrue tier and award points to AY+.

(SQ does not accrue at all, indeed.)
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Old Apr 24, 2017, 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Courmisch
MH accrues to AY+ as any Oneworld member, except maybe for some special booking classes.
All MH booking classes that AY has offered on their own website (together with Value HEL-SIN) earn nothing.

Glad to hear that 3K might earn something as AY-codeshare. Any experiences, is it much more "low-cost" on short-haul than MH? What about lounge access etc?
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Old Apr 25, 2017, 5:19 am
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Originally Posted by lkrt
I didn't mean that the customer service level was excellent, more that there are good food services with lots of drinks options also between meal services etc. Ground services work well and OWE recognition is done well.
CX service is HK style, efficient more than friendly but they do try their best to honor customer wishes.

I think at AY the staff are more concerned with their own than passenger comfort but then that is a typical attitude at European airlines. However, if you know how to deal with them, service levels can be excellent.
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Old Apr 25, 2017, 8:06 am
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
Yeah, but earning is weak. BUD-DEL-BUD is 488€ in Value Y, so C can cost 976€ or less.

488€ x 3 = 1464€ and 75000 points.
For some the price sitting all those flights in whY is waayy higher than the difference in EUR
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Old Apr 25, 2017, 9:48 am
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Amen!
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Old Apr 25, 2017, 9:53 am
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Originally Posted by NoWindowSeat
For some the price sitting all those flights in whY is waayy higher than the difference in EUR

And we have many ways to upgrade.
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Old May 20, 2017, 5:55 am
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All the brainless CX runs come worthwhile when at HKG they say "Sir, we've upgraded you and it's actually a first class seat."

I was amazed.
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Old May 20, 2017, 5:43 pm
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Originally Posted by lkrt
All the brainless CX runs come worthwhile when at HKG they say "Sir, we've upgraded you and it's actually a first class seat."

I was amazed.
From Y to F on a three-class plane? Wow, just wow! ^
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