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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)
TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)
Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:
ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)
Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:
DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)
TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)
Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:
ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)
Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:
DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
Ahoy, mileage runners! (Incl. immediate turnarounds)
#46
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Austin
Programs: AA EXP +2MM- LT PLT! HH Diamond
Posts: 6,073
http://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/ea...es/finnair.jsp
#48
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: HEL
Programs: SPG LTP, hotels, OWE, STE+, *G, Octopus
Posts: 5,770
All Finnair fares give you 100% EQM, including deep discount fares..
http://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/ea...es/finnair.jsp
http://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/ea...es/finnair.jsp
#49
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 231
I have until the end of this month to collect 19 000 points on AY+ to renew my plat. Any suggestions on how to do that? Of course, "buying" the points is the obvious fall-back, but how about a mileage run, with or without a stop-over in the destination. Weekends are preferred travel time, but I might be able to do a long one as well.
I have collected the current point amount sitting in the back, so my butt does not appreciate the most arduous routings
I have collected the current point amount sitting in the back, so my butt does not appreciate the most arduous routings
#51
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Helsinki-Vantaa APT, Finland
Programs: AY LUMO
Posts: 6,043
#52
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 231
I am located in Helsinki and looking for some good deal / el cheapo. No strict budget, but obviously it does not make sense to pay more than ~600 EUR for this, extra comfort could naturally raise the budget somewhat...
#53
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: London
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 1,455
Well, if you want to avoid long hauls you could try this:
Nested immediate turnarounds to ZRH, there's a Swiss J offer to HEL going on atm. Return in Value. This would net you 15000 points, the award points which you could then convert to the last 5k points you need making it point neutral basically. Total price apprx. 734€ (The J flights need to be booked on an OTA, I used CheapTickets to price this one.) Finnair's site bumps up the price.
You could probably get sufficient points with a long haul, but I think with accommodation costs it could get higher. Depends if you want a mini holiday or just points.
Nested immediate turnarounds to ZRH, there's a Swiss J offer to HEL going on atm. Return in Value. This would net you 15000 points, the award points which you could then convert to the last 5k points you need making it point neutral basically. Total price apprx. 734€ (The J flights need to be booked on an OTA, I used CheapTickets to price this one.) Finnair's site bumps up the price.
You could probably get sufficient points with a long haul, but I think with accommodation costs it could get higher. Depends if you want a mini holiday or just points.
#54
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 231
Nested immediate turnarounds to ZRH, there's a Swiss J offer to HEL going on atm. Return in Value. This would net you 15000 points, the award points which you could then convert to the last 5k points you need making it point neutral basically. Total price apprx. 734 (The J flights need to be booked on an OTA, I used CheapTickets to price this one.) Finnair's site bumps up the price.
I could also consider a LH with point upgrade, might be less stress than 4 SH flights. And I would not say no to a mini holiday either. I might even have hotel points stored somewhere for one more free night
#55
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Seat 1L these days :)
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Posts: 7,895
This is an interesting suggestion. Just the kind of "out-of-the-box" thinking I was looking for.
I could also consider a LH with point upgrade, might be less stress than 4 SH flights. And I would not say no to a mini holiday either. I might even have hotel points stored somewhere for one more free night
I could also consider a LH with point upgrade, might be less stress than 4 SH flights. And I would not say no to a mini holiday either. I might even have hotel points stored somewhere for one more free night
#56
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 231
Unfortunately that price tag is only for the 25% point accrual, which leaves me quite a bit short. 600 from ebookers would give me basic tix with 50% (value tickets being priced at 750 by AY). Or did you have a better source for the tickets giving 100% with the quoted price?
#57
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Seat 1L these days :)
Programs: AF Platinum/AY LUMO/SK EBG/baEC S/HYATT Globalist/MR LTP/A3 *G/HH Dia/IHG plat
Posts: 7,895
Unfortunately that price tag is only for the 25% point accrual, which leaves me quite a bit short. 600 from ebookers would give me basic tix with 50% (value tickets being priced at 750 by AY). Or did you have a better source for the tickets giving 100% with the quoted price?
#59
Original Poster
Join Date: May 2013
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Plat (OWE), SK EBG (*A Gold), KQ Plat (STE+), Accor Plat, Hilton Honors Gold
Posts: 3,154
I'm starting to have this figured out.
With CX it would be approximately 540 EUR to do a HEL-MAN-HKG-SIN-HKG-CDG-HEL which is very much bookable by a few OTA's, for example Kilroy. Kilroy does show a part of the fare rules, but not the exact fare class. I'd like to know if this is one of the deep-discount fare buckets that doesn't earn 100 % with AY+. In the past someone said these CX fares would be booked into L/H/M but can I be sure?
I'll attach the partial fare rules below. (looking for dates in OCT15)
Also, I have no idea on which leg of the trip these fare rules are for.
If in a reasonable fare class, this would result in approximately 30 000 points. The award points could then be converted into 10 000 tier points and as a result I would become a Silver by using just 560 euros.
With CX it would be approximately 540 EUR to do a HEL-MAN-HKG-SIN-HKG-CDG-HEL which is very much bookable by a few OTA's, for example Kilroy. Kilroy does show a part of the fare rules, but not the exact fare class. I'd like to know if this is one of the deep-discount fare buckets that doesn't earn 100 % with AY+. In the past someone said these CX fares would be booked into L/H/M but can I be sure?
I'll attach the partial fare rules below. (looking for dates in OCT15)
Also, I have no idea on which leg of the trip these fare rules are for.
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MAXIMUM STAY TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN. PENALTIES CANCELLATIONS BEFORE DEPARTURE CHARGE EUR 150.00 FOR CANCEL/REFUND. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. NOTE 1-IN THE EVENT OF NO-SHOW ON A CANCEL/REFUND TICKET CHARGE EUR150.00 - CANCEL/REFUND FEE EUR150.00 PLUS NO-SHOW FEE NON REFUNDABLE CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY NOTE - TICKET NON REFUNDABLE IN CASE OF NOSHOW.REFUND ON PARTIALLY USED TICKETS IS NOT ALLOWED. REFUND OF ALL UNUSED TAXES IS ALLOWED INCLUDING UNUSED YR/YQ TAXES. NOTE 2 - THE LOCAL ADMINISTRATION/ SERVICE/HANDLING FEE MAY APPLY IN ADDITION TO NOTE 1 AFTER DEPARTURE TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE. CHANGES ANY TIME CHARGE EUR 75.00 FOR REISSUE. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. ANY TIME CHARGE EUR 75.00 FOR REVALIDATION. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. NOTE 1-IN THE EVENT OF NO-SHOW PERMITTED AT EUR225.00-REROUTING FEE EUR75.00 PLUS NO SHOW FEE EUR150.00 OR PERMITTED AT EUR225.00-REBOOKING FEE EUR75.00 PLUS NO SHOW FEE EUR150.00 NOTE 2 -GENERAL INFO FOR REROUTING/REBOOKING TO TKTD FLT FOR THIS FARE ARE AS BELOW 1- REISSUE EQUALS TO REROUTING 2- REVALIDATION EQUALS TO REBOOKING 3- CHANGE OF AIRPORT WITHIN ONE CITY DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AS REROUTING 4- CHANGE MUST BE MADE WITHIN TKT VALIDITY 5- THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION PER PERSON 6- INFANT WITHOUT SEAT - NO CHANGE FEE 7- CHILD/INFANT WITH SEAT - DISCOUNT APPLIES TO CHANGE FEE 8- WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE - COLLECT FARE DIFFERENCE -AND- COLLECT CHANGE FEE IF APPLICABLE 9- WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE- NO REFUND OF FARE DIFFERENCE -AND- COLLECT CHANGE FEE IF APPLICABLE 10- IF CHANGE TO 1ST FLT CPN- RE-PRICE ALL FARES BELOW AND PROVIDE THE BEST RESULT TO PAX A- USE A CURRENT CX/KA RULE 0013 L- FARE FOR REPRICE NEW TKT MAY BE EQUAL/HIGHER OR LOWER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS TKT AND MEASURE ADVANCE PURCHASE FROM TKT REISSUE DATE B- USE ANY CURRENT CX/KA FARE FOR REPRICE NEW TKT MUST BE EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS TKT AND MEASURE ADVANCE PURCHASE FROM TKT REISSUE DATE 11- IF NO CHANGE TO 1ST FLT CPN- RE-PRICE ALL FARES BELOW AND PROVIDE THE BEST RESULT TO PAX A- USE A HISTORICAL CX/KA RULE 0013 L- FARE FOR REPRICE NEW TKT MAY BE EQUAL/HIGHER OR LOWER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS TKT B- USE A HISTORICAL TICKETED FARE THAT DIFFERS ONLY IN SEASONALITY/DAY OF WEEK FOR REPRICE NEW TKT MAY BE EQUAL/HIGHER OR LOWER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS TKT C- USE ANY HISTORICAL CX/KA FARE FOR REPRICE NEW TKT MUST BE EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS TKT 12- WHEN THIS FARE IS COMBINED WITH ANOTHER FARE- A- CHARGE THE HIGHEST CHANGE FEE OF ALL FARE COMPONENTS WITHIN ALL CHANGED PRICING UNITS B- IF THE TICKETED FARE ON ANY CHANGED FLIGHT COUPON DOES NOT ALLOW REFUND THEN THE FARE DIFFERENCE IS NOT REFUNDED NOTE 3 - THE LOCAL ADMINISTRATION/ SERVICE/HANDLING FEE MAY APPLY IN ADDITION TO ABOVE NOTES
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