Mar 1, 2014, 8:31 am
Last edit by: hillrider
Finnair is replacing slanted lie-flat J class seats with horizontal lie-flat seats, the Zodiak UK Vantage, on its long-haul fleet.
For more information, see Finnair's website here.
Overall upgrade program status
As of 05DEC14 the following have the new horizontal seats in J:
Routes with horizontal full-flat business class seat
As of the dates below, all flights on listed routes will normally be performed by aircraft with horizontal full-flat seat in business class. Routes not listed will mainly be served by the older A340s or a mix of old & new, supply allowing.
2014-04-01 - NRT, JFK
2014-05-01 - PEK, ICN
2014-06-01 - PVG, KIX, NGO and HAN (seasonal)
2014 winter - HKG (seasonal) *)
*) Original press release stated HKG full-flat from 2014-06-01. Some flights are indeed scheduled with new J, but current info on AY website says HKG full flat only during winter season.
Please note that AY can and will swap aircrafts due to operational reasons, and there is no guarantee a certain route will be served by a certain aircraft. It is a very small fleet and any technical issue not resolved in a few hours will lead to equipment changes, which will have a domino effect throughout the fleet.
Individual upgrade status of each plane
As of 05DEC14 (click on RegNo for seatmap)
For more information, see Finnair's website here.
Overall upgrade program status
As of 05DEC14 the following have the new horizontal seats in J:
- 57% of the 343 fleet (4 of 7 aircraft)
- 100% of the 333 fleet (8 of 8 aircraft)
- equivalent to 80% of the long haul fleet (12 of 15 aircraft)
Routes with horizontal full-flat business class seat
As of the dates below, all flights on listed routes will normally be performed by aircraft with horizontal full-flat seat in business class. Routes not listed will mainly be served by the older A340s or a mix of old & new, supply allowing.
2014-04-01 - NRT, JFK
2014-05-01 - PEK, ICN
2014-06-01 - PVG, KIX, NGO and HAN (seasonal)
2014 winter - HKG (seasonal) *)
*) Original press release stated HKG full-flat from 2014-06-01. Some flights are indeed scheduled with new J, but current info on AY website says HKG full flat only during winter season.
Please note that AY can and will swap aircrafts due to operational reasons, and there is no guarantee a certain route will be served by a certain aircraft. It is a very small fleet and any technical issue not resolved in a few hours will lead to equipment changes, which will have a domino effect throughout the fleet.
Individual upgrade status of each plane
As of 05DEC14 (click on RegNo for seatmap)
Code:
Airbus A340 RegNo Full flat since ------ ------------ OH-LQA Old slanted seats OH-LQB 2014-03-27 OH-LQC 2014-05-29 OH-LQD 2014-04-21 OH-LQE 2014-05-16 OH-LQF Old slanted seats OH-LQG Old slanted seats Airbus A330 RegNo Full flat since ------ ------------ OH-LTM 2014-11-09 OH-LTN 2014-12-05 OH-LTO 2014-02-27 OH-LTP 2014-03-11 OH-LTR 2009-12-17 OH-LTS 2010-02-11 OH-LTT 2010-04-21 OH-LTU 2010-11-26
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Mar 7, 2014, 12:16 pm
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True. I'm coloured by a few recent mishaps.
But making a press release about "dedicating" equipment to some routes is a bit too much for my taste. With 12 birds featuring "new" J, promising to keep 9 routes full flat is not that big IMHO.
But making a press release about "dedicating" equipment to some routes is a bit too much for my taste. With 12 birds featuring "new" J, promising to keep 9 routes full flat is not that big IMHO.
Mar 8, 2014, 11:00 pm
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Mar 11, 2014, 1:54 pm
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Oh, they were quick to install this time - just over a week.
(and you were quick to detect it - I never saw LTP coming home to HEL, was it this afternoon?)
(and you were quick to detect it - I never saw LTP coming home to HEL, was it this afternoon?)
Mar 11, 2014, 8:56 pm
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also the seats are a little shorter.
Mar 11, 2014, 9:57 pm
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I'm looking forward to my flight on the A330 this weekend, maybe if the French Queen on my return flight at the end of April is too tough I'll just work my way through the wine list a few times for the entire flight...
Mar 13, 2014, 9:28 am
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Just booked an XXX-HEL-SIN/BKK-HEL-XXX in C early May - the seatmaps for both longhauls show A340-300. Can I really be so lucky to get the worst metal in the fleet on both legs?
OK, the XXX legs push down the prices for a very acceptable level (and I actually need to fly them
) but if I were to put 3,5k € ex-HEL towards this I'd be rather upset. (SIN seems to be the most expensive destination down there ex-EUR - something to learn each day)
OK, the XXX legs push down the prices for a very acceptable level (and I actually need to fly them
) but if I were to put 3,5k € ex-HEL towards this I'd be rather upset. (SIN seems to be the most expensive destination down there ex-EUR - something to learn each day)
Mar 14, 2014, 8:45 pm
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Just booked an XXX-HEL-SIN/BKK-HEL-XXX in C early May - the seatmaps for both longhauls show A340-300. Can I really be so lucky to get the worst metal in the fleet on both legs?
OK, the XXX legs push down the prices for a very acceptable level (and I actually need to fly them) but if I were to put 3,5k € ex-HEL towards this I'd be rather upset. (SIN seems to be the most expensive destination down there ex-EUR - something to learn each day)
OK, the XXX legs push down the prices for a very acceptable level (and I actually need to fly them
) but if I were to put 3,5k € ex-HEL towards this I'd be rather upset. (SIN seems to be the most expensive destination down there ex-EUR - something to learn each day)http://www.ausbt.com.au/finnair-upgr...ess-class-seat
Could be because of the JV with AA/BA/IB, all partners are supposed to have lie-flat seats for TATL flights..
Mar 14, 2014, 11:31 pm
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Check out this article. Don't know how these folks from Australia always have the news..
http://www.ausbt.com.au/finnair-upgr...ess-class-seat
Could be because of the JV with AA/BA/IB, all partners are supposed to have lie-flat seats for TATL flights..
http://www.ausbt.com.au/finnair-upgr...ess-class-seat
Could be because of the JV with AA/BA/IB, all partners are supposed to have lie-flat seats for TATL flights..
Mar 15, 2014, 12:59 am
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They read the press release from a week ago and then called AY information desk and asked about the routes not mentioned. There is nothing in the article that you can't find out in the open press material and that we didn't know a week ago.
Mar 15, 2014, 7:49 am
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, but I get your point. I guess my point is that for a traveler magazine focused on the interests of Oz travelers, they do a pretty good job in global coverage and as you mentioned, try to go beyond reprinting press releases.
Mar 15, 2014, 2:54 pm
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Apologies, my post came out harder than was intended.
Anyway, HKG being on the list for priority routes should please the oz flyer - even though some connections are not as good as they used too (because of the break up between QF and BA), I'd say it is pretty decent option.
Anyway, HKG being on the list for priority routes should please the oz flyer - even though some connections are not as good as they used too (because of the break up between QF and BA), I'd say it is pretty decent option.
Mar 15, 2014, 3:56 pm
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AY back on ftdashboard.net
With the introduction of new C towards the entire fleet, you can now (again) follow the progress by route, pretty much as BA's New First has been tracked for some years now.
For example ftdashboard.net/ay/fleet/a333.htm
For example ftdashboard.net/ay/fleet/a333.htm