Mar 1, 2014, 8:31 am
Last edit by: hillrider
Finnair is replacing slanted lie-flat J class seats with horizontal lie-flat seats, the Zodiak UK Vantage, on its long-haul fleet.
For more information, see Finnair's website here.
Overall upgrade program status
As of 05DEC14 the following have the new horizontal seats in J:
Routes with horizontal full-flat business class seat
As of the dates below, all flights on listed routes will normally be performed by aircraft with horizontal full-flat seat in business class. Routes not listed will mainly be served by the older A340s or a mix of old & new, supply allowing.
2014-04-01 - NRT, JFK
2014-05-01 - PEK, ICN
2014-06-01 - PVG, KIX, NGO and HAN (seasonal)
2014 winter - HKG (seasonal) *)
*) Original press release stated HKG full-flat from 2014-06-01. Some flights are indeed scheduled with new J, but current info on AY website says HKG full flat only during winter season.
Please note that AY can and will swap aircrafts due to operational reasons, and there is no guarantee a certain route will be served by a certain aircraft. It is a very small fleet and any technical issue not resolved in a few hours will lead to equipment changes, which will have a domino effect throughout the fleet.
Individual upgrade status of each plane
As of 05DEC14 (click on RegNo for seatmap)
For more information, see Finnair's website here.
Overall upgrade program status
As of 05DEC14 the following have the new horizontal seats in J:
- 57% of the 343 fleet (4 of 7 aircraft)
- 100% of the 333 fleet (8 of 8 aircraft)
- equivalent to 80% of the long haul fleet (12 of 15 aircraft)
Routes with horizontal full-flat business class seat
As of the dates below, all flights on listed routes will normally be performed by aircraft with horizontal full-flat seat in business class. Routes not listed will mainly be served by the older A340s or a mix of old & new, supply allowing.
2014-04-01 - NRT, JFK
2014-05-01 - PEK, ICN
2014-06-01 - PVG, KIX, NGO and HAN (seasonal)
2014 winter - HKG (seasonal) *)
*) Original press release stated HKG full-flat from 2014-06-01. Some flights are indeed scheduled with new J, but current info on AY website says HKG full flat only during winter season.
Please note that AY can and will swap aircrafts due to operational reasons, and there is no guarantee a certain route will be served by a certain aircraft. It is a very small fleet and any technical issue not resolved in a few hours will lead to equipment changes, which will have a domino effect throughout the fleet.
Individual upgrade status of each plane
As of 05DEC14 (click on RegNo for seatmap)
Code:
Airbus A340 RegNo Full flat since ------ ------------ OH-LQA Old slanted seats OH-LQB 2014-03-27 OH-LQC 2014-05-29 OH-LQD 2014-04-21 OH-LQE 2014-05-16 OH-LQF Old slanted seats OH-LQG Old slanted seats Airbus A330 RegNo Full flat since ------ ------------ OH-LTM 2014-11-09 OH-LTN 2014-12-05 OH-LTO 2014-02-27 OH-LTP 2014-03-11 OH-LTR 2009-12-17 OH-LTS 2010-02-11 OH-LTT 2010-04-21 OH-LTU 2010-11-26
Reports on Hard product upgrades
Oct 19, 2014, 1:18 pm
#166
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So what is the guarantee then..? Compensation? There must be something.
Oct 19, 2014, 1:21 pm
#167
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Thanks.
Oct 19, 2014, 2:52 pm
#168
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Oh, yes there is certainly something offered. Their apology:
Originally Posted by Finnair
Aircraft with full-flat business class seats are allocated to the above-mentioned routes. However, please accept our apology if in case of aircraft change due to operational reasons, the full-flat seat is not available on your flight.
Oct 21, 2014, 12:25 pm
#170
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AY seat maps are updated, showing both the refurbished J and the new Y comfort section.
Included links to them in the wiki post
Included links to them in the wiki post
Mar 24, 2015, 2:55 am
#173
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I'm considering AY business again. For MEL - (SIN or HKG) - HEL in August 2015 (AY82 or AY70 and AY81 or AY69). All are listed as A340.
Will any of these be with the new hard product? I don't paticularly like the older "angled-flat" seat and the new seat looks good and worth a try. The Wiki wasn't clear and the Finnair site wasn't much help.
Thanks.
Will any of these be with the new hard product? I don't paticularly like the older "angled-flat" seat and the new seat looks good and worth a try. The Wiki wasn't clear and the Finnair site wasn't much help.
Thanks.
Mar 24, 2015, 4:16 am
#174
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Not sure what you are missing in the wiki?
SIN and HKG are not "guaranteed" full flat. It doesn't mean they never get full flat, but that you really can't know in advance.
If you can access the seat map of your future flights, you can get an indication of what plane if planed for your flights. If J is 6 abreast, then it is the older ones.
Now, august is 5 months away and many thing can happen until then.
SIN and HKG are not "guaranteed" full flat. It doesn't mean they never get full flat, but that you really can't know in advance.
If you can access the seat map of your future flights, you can get an indication of what plane if planed for your flights. If J is 6 abreast, then it is the older ones.
Now, august is 5 months away and many thing can happen until then.