Why engage with the Perez Hilton Forum? [split off from VFTW discussion thread]
Jul 17, 2015, 8:20 pm
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Jul 18, 2015, 4:01 pm
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Do you have a recommend forum to discuss the negative aspects of this lifestyle? I don't think it's unreasonable to point out that this amount of flying, boozing, and a diet of sundaes/cookies/processed snacks will age you...
Most first class passengers look like they may collapse from a heart attack at any moment. At least VFTW looks decent in a pajama selfie.
With so much overlap of content on Boarding Area it is surprising no one discusses the health issues of flying 100000+ miles a year.
Most first class passengers look like they may collapse from a heart attack at any moment. At least VFTW looks decent in a pajama selfie.
With so much overlap of content on Boarding Area it is surprising no one discusses the health issues of flying 100000+ miles a year.
I agree: it's tough to stay fit and travel a lot. Gary's got it even tougher because in addition to his FC sundae/cookie obsession, he's a foodie.
As for Ben, when I was 25 I could drink a six pack of beer a day and never gain a pound. Champagne is far less carby. :-:
Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
I would like to thank you for exquisitely proving my point about much of this forum being way too interested in being personal and dishing out snark. Only took 13 posts and a little over a day to see it in once again this thread, but hey, I knew someone could deliver the goods. Fat jokes, always the sign of enlightened intellectual criticism.
Frankly i think Jeff Smisek looks creepy. Like a kid-toucher. The Thought Leader in Points and Miles Blogs, etc. would never say that about any of our illustrious bloggers. ^
Jul 19, 2015, 7:41 am
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Jul 19, 2015, 8:52 am
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Ok, let's then not mince words here.
First, and I'm sorry I have to say this again, but just because it's in Rolling Stone absolutely, positively, affirmatively does not make it ok to repost or repeat on Flyer Talk. Saying that it somehow is ok -- and however often you say so in however many different ways -- simply doesn't change that. Not now, not ever.
Second, and more importantly, we've all somehow managed to degenerate here to the point of discussing whether a particular blogger did (or did not) get a particular kind of sexual service in a plane.
Think about that for a moment. Really. Please.
Defending any of this, any of it at all, on the grounds that legitimate criticism is liberally intermixed with the salacious, that the blogs in question are not exactly eleemosynary enterprises, and that anyone (including me) is free to stop reading this little corner of Flyer Talk is simply astonishing. That's the defense? Truly?
Some things, in the end, speak for themselves.
First, and I'm sorry I have to say this again, but just because it's in Rolling Stone absolutely, positively, affirmatively does not make it ok to repost or repeat on Flyer Talk. Saying that it somehow is ok -- and however often you say so in however many different ways -- simply doesn't change that. Not now, not ever.
Second, and more importantly, we've all somehow managed to degenerate here to the point of discussing whether a particular blogger did (or did not) get a particular kind of sexual service in a plane.
Think about that for a moment. Really. Please.
Defending any of this, any of it at all, on the grounds that legitimate criticism is liberally intermixed with the salacious, that the blogs in question are not exactly eleemosynary enterprises, and that anyone (including me) is free to stop reading this little corner of Flyer Talk is simply astonishing. That's the defense? Truly?
Some things, in the end, speak for themselves.
If we said that every forum or thread with some odd or uncouth particular posts should be shut down, then pretty much every forum on here would be closed. It absolutely is relevant whether a thread is totally full of objectionable content or if there are merely some posts that are such (and the remedy for alleged improper posts is to alert a mod, not continue berating folks on a whole separate thread!)
Why do you think Ben had those items published in RS if he didn't want the public discussing them? Is it not relevant to discuss a blogger's ethics (banned from UA for abuse) how he portrays his reviews (being recognized by airline and hotel staff v. being an anonymous reviewer); soliciting readers to pay for his Etihad flight when he's wealthy (and also criticizes a church for seeking to buy a business jet)?
Evidently I still haven't been clear enough.
Flyer Talk is not a tabloid. Wishing it were so, and pointing to publications that are, doesn't change that. Not now or ever.
The fact that some prominent self-promoting bloggers might indeed be "public figures" doesn't somehow magically change the Flyer Talk rules and open the door to anything-goes discussion, however personal or nasty.
Saying that the opposite is the case doesn't make it so.
Flyer Talk is not a tabloid. Wishing it were so, and pointing to publications that are, doesn't change that. Not now or ever.
The fact that some prominent self-promoting bloggers might indeed be "public figures" doesn't somehow magically change the Flyer Talk rules and open the door to anything-goes discussion, however personal or nasty.
Saying that the opposite is the case doesn't make it so.
Where has anyone suggested "anything goes"?
Actually being public figures does matter apparently. Have you read the extremely negative (to put it politely) comments throughout FlyerTalk on Jeff Smisek, Richard Anderson, and similar (not to mention the discussion of public figures in OMNI)? Or even non-public figures when it comes to stereotypes of obese people and others that it's still not politically incorrect to pick on? Why is it OK for those to stand but not for discussion of factual information brought up in public by these bloggers?
As for not being a tabloid, have you ventured into OMNI (where FT ToS allegedly still apply)?:
Yes, I did. Haven't commented on it here before because... well... FallenPlat is right. (Plus I think there's potential fallout from the RS interview, given what I'm about to say).
You're missing the point. FTers are deciding based on that RS article, let's fire up the ol' Google and do some public records searches, because.... um, reasons.
How absolutely creepy. Apparently there are people here I shouldn't meet in a dark alley.
No, not everyone is guilty of being personal. It happens enough here and persistently enough over time that it's worthy of comment. And I suspect it's quite deliberate, in the "attractive nuisance" sense. Gotta get those posts and pageviews...
You're missing the point. FTers are deciding based on that RS article, let's fire up the ol' Google and do some public records searches, because.... um, reasons.
How absolutely creepy. Apparently there are people here I shouldn't meet in a dark alley.
No, not everyone is guilty of being personal. It happens enough here and persistently enough over time that it's worthy of comment. And I suspect it's quite deliberate, in the "attractive nuisance" sense. Gotta get those posts and pageviews...
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....-airlines-for/
As for salacious how about OMAAT using the Mile High Club for click bait posts on at least two occasions?
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Jul 19, 2015, 11:47 am
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And there's the experience selling out and ignoring the good of followers/readers for the sake of personal gain, too. Hypocrisy is awesome.
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Jul 21, 2015, 10:01 am
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From the guidelines thread, the following is fair game for this forum:
Particularly recently I've noticed a shift (especially with VFTW and OMAAT) to focus as much (if not more so) on the blogger rather than their content, which is unfortunate, divisive, against the stated guidelines, and makes this forum an unfortunate place to visit. That the "really great content" thread is almost falling off the front page is sad to me.
I wish we would highlight what is great in the points and miles blog community and not worry about the redundant stuff (for which FT is not the intended audience anyway).
• Blogs focused on miles and points. Discussion is permitted on the blog but not the blogger. Discussion of the blogger and his or her character, e.g. ethics and morals, will be deleted.
• Websites focused on miles and points. There are sites in German, Swedish, and Chinese at a minimum. There are airline focused and country focused sites in English.
• Miles and points seminars
• Miles and points award shows
• Events and excursions focused on the miles community where there is benefit to the organizer, whether points, hotel rooms, or sponsorship money.
• Websites focused on miles and points. There are sites in German, Swedish, and Chinese at a minimum. There are airline focused and country focused sites in English.
• Miles and points seminars
• Miles and points award shows
• Events and excursions focused on the miles community where there is benefit to the organizer, whether points, hotel rooms, or sponsorship money.
I wish we would highlight what is great in the points and miles blog community and not worry about the redundant stuff (for which FT is not the intended audience anyway).
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Jul 21, 2015, 10:41 am
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On the bright side, our better bloggers are less than halfway through this evolution. There's still time to reverse course. If the banks cut off the credit card referral money, it could happen.
Jul 21, 2015, 6:45 pm
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Particularly recently I've noticed a shift (especially with VFTW and OMAAT) to focus as much (if not more so) on the blogger rather than their content, which is unfortunate, divisive, against the stated guidelines, and makes this forum an unfortunate place to visit. That the "really great content" thread is almost falling off the front page is sad to me.
I think I'm about done here. I tried taking a few days off. Looked at what's been updated (oh, look, we're psychoanalyzing bloggers without a license). I don't think I've missed anything.
Incidentally, I stay very far away from OMNI, because if religion and politics are guaranteed trollbait topics as well as the obvious candidates for people to be jerks to each other in discourse.
This forum looks like much the same. Ta.
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Jul 21, 2015, 8:02 pm
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Jul 21, 2015, 8:39 pm
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and weighed in with unlicensed psychological and medical opinion on the FA Suing Airport Because She Can't Have Sex Anymore
Jul 22, 2015, 7:30 am
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Yes, it's sad. More accurately, it's pathetic. The evolution reminds me of that of The Discovery Channel: moving from great to good to a complete joke.
On the bright side, our better bloggers are less than halfway through this evolution. There's still time to reverse course. If the banks cut off the credit card referral money, it could happen.
On the bright side, our better bloggers are less than halfway through this evolution. There's still time to reverse course. If the banks cut off the credit card referral money, it could happen.
Anyway speaking of shark week, what you see now is indeed some bloggers jumping the shark: ad revenue is going down, and the CC pumping is past its zenith. I'm really curious what the masterminds behind the miles & points blogosphere have up their sleeve to survive the upcoming climate change (or meteorite, depending if you are a intrinsic gradualist or extrinsic catastrophist).
Just blogging good content to a decent following isn't going to pay the bills in the future. Not that it paid previously either...
Jul 22, 2015, 9:42 am
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Well, when I was first exposed the Discovery channel in the 1990s I already felt it was a joke compared what the BBC showed on their satellite channel in Asia. The bad Touch very aptly highlighted their sensationalist approach to wild life documentary film making.
Anyway speaking of shark week, what you see now is indeed some bloggers jumping the shark: ad revenue is going down, and the CC pumping is past its zenith. I'm really curious what the masterminds behind the miles & points blogosphere have up their sleeve to survive the upcoming climate change (or meteorite, depending if you are a intrinsic gradualist or extrinsic catastrophist).
Just blogging good content to a decent following isn't going to pay the bills in the future. Not that it paid previously either...
Anyway speaking of shark week, what you see now is indeed some bloggers jumping the shark: ad revenue is going down, and the CC pumping is past its zenith. I'm really curious what the masterminds behind the miles & points blogosphere have up their sleeve to survive the upcoming climate change (or meteorite, depending if you are a intrinsic gradualist or extrinsic catastrophist).
Just blogging good content to a decent following isn't going to pay the bills in the future. Not that it paid previously either...
Jul 28, 2015, 5:37 am
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