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Old Jun 7, 2015, 11:48 am
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
gary credited. thats not plagiarism.
Gary credited the wrong person. Why credit the secondary source???
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Old Jun 7, 2015, 12:25 pm
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Originally Posted by skunker
Gary credited the wrong person. Why credit the secondary source???
thats a 'how he did it'

he did not plagiarize
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Old Jun 7, 2015, 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
thats a 'how he did it'

he did not plagiarize
Sort of a fine line, isn't it? Reprinting original work without permission but providing a 'HT' may not meet the dictionary definition of plagiarism since there is a cite, but wouldn't a blogger best practice be to simply describe and provide a link to that original material rather than reprinting it?

LOL, did I just use 'blogger' and 'best practice' in the same sentence!?!?
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Old Jun 7, 2015, 3:22 pm
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again, claims were plagiarism, not best practices
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Old Jun 7, 2015, 8:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
gary credited. thats not plagiarism.
Simply providing credit is not necessarily fair use. You can still be breaking the law even if you admit up front you took the content from someone else.
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Old Jun 7, 2015, 11:48 pm
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Originally Posted by sbm12
Simply providing credit is not necessarily fair use. You can still be breaking the law even if you admit up front you took the content from someone else.
Bottom line: Gary is getting sloppy, and not just with spelling.

And that is sad because I've met him a couple of times and found him well spoken and thoughtful if not a little too focused on the 'deal' angle.
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Old Jun 8, 2015, 7:04 am
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Originally Posted by sbm12
Simply providing credit is not necessarily fair use. You can still be breaking the law even if you admit up front you took the content from someone else.
plagiarism wikipedia - "representation of them as one's own original work"
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Old Jun 8, 2015, 7:49 am
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
plagiarism wikipedia - "representation of them as one's own original work"
Plagiarism and the trademark/intellectual property concept of "fair use" are not congruous terms. Although plagiarism could be a part of a fair use complaint, a fair use action does not require an allegation that the defendant failed to identify and credit his source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
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Old Jun 8, 2015, 7:28 pm
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that is my whole point. im talking about what people accused gary of.

and what is the title of this thread, that someone replied mentioning gary.

many of blogs discussed here allow specificity to go out the window.
that would apply to gary, as well as those accusing gary of plagiarism.
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Old Jun 8, 2015, 9:15 pm
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Originally Posted by lwildernorva
Plagiarism and the trademark/intellectual property concept of "fair use" are not congruous terms. Although plagiarism could be a part of a fair use complaint, a fair use action does not require an allegation that the defendant failed to identify and credit his source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
^. Yes. Just because you give credit or a HT, doesn't mean you aren't infringing. Just like a teacher can't legally photocopy a recent novel for in class use, even if a different teacher handed her the book and said, "This is my copy of a novel by Dan Brown, but I don't care if you copy it." and even if you include the title and copyright notice in your photocopy.

I'm not a blogger, but I'd be mad too if I had spent time compiling a list and other people started re-posting it without my permission.
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Old Jun 12, 2015, 10:14 am
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
probably many FTers have been quoted without attribution, including in mainstream media

i have been used as a source, and i have seen one FlyerTalker quoted verbatim

every now and then, FlyerTalk will actually be linked (to a thread) or mentioned
One of my posts was quoted verbatim by a blogger and was the primary content of that day's blog, but he was very respectful about it. He asked permission first and credited me properly, including MP where the post had appeared.
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Old Jul 13, 2015, 10:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
gary credited. thats not plagiarism.
Credit posted alongside images or text is still copyright infringement. Doesn't make it okay without explicit permission from the content creator.

Source: Am photographer who has had plenty of work stolen, deal with this nearly daily, and have made a decent amount of money from infringement suits because people think it's okay to just lift and re-post with a credit link. Nope.

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One of my posts was quoted verbatim by a blogger and was the primary content of that day's blog, but he was very respectful about it. He asked permission first and credited me properly, including MP where the post had appeared.
^ And that's how it should be.
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Old Jul 13, 2015, 11:49 pm
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That really viral story about a Singapore Suites flight report last October (like mega-viral) included five paragraphs completely lifted from a variety of my articles as well as two pictures.

Infringement without credit annoys me but I usually don't go beyond sending them a note. This guy was blatant, so that was a fun day fighting back.
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Old Jul 14, 2015, 1:01 pm
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Originally Posted by mikekelley
Credit posted alongside images or text is still copyright infringement.
is your argument that its ok to misuse the word "Plagiarist" ?

i am replying to those who used that word, and only that word.
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