EVA goes 10 abreast 777
May 27, 2017, 1:25 pm
#91
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Thinking about flying from Vienna to Bangkok in Fall/Winter. I checked the recent BR flights on flightradar24 and it's mostly a 77W with the comfy 313 seat 33" 3-3-3 setup, however recently also a new 77W flew the route with the high density 3-4-3 setup.
Are they going to reconfigure all of the 77Ws, or leave the old comfy ones alone and just receive the new ones as high density? I always thought of Eva Air as a quality airline so I'm kind of shocked they are falling for this 10-abreast scheme as well, also considering the asian airlines were kind of like the "last resort".
Other options aren't much better though:
Austrian 772 extra expensive and even worse at 3-4-3 17".
And with Qatar the VIE-DOH leg is on the hell machine 787 with 31" 17" + IFE box. And the other leg on a 77W which nowadays Qatar also uses in high density setting at 31-33"(whatever that means) and 17" in 3-4-3.
Aren't these supposed to be the best 5* airlines?? I mean I know legroom isn't everything but COME ON.
Are they going to reconfigure all of the 77Ws, or leave the old comfy ones alone and just receive the new ones as high density? I always thought of Eva Air as a quality airline so I'm kind of shocked they are falling for this 10-abreast scheme as well, also considering the asian airlines were kind of like the "last resort".
Other options aren't much better though:
Austrian 772 extra expensive and even worse at 3-4-3 17".
And with Qatar the VIE-DOH leg is on the hell machine 787 with 31" 17" + IFE box. And the other leg on a 77W which nowadays Qatar also uses in high density setting at 31-33"(whatever that means) and 17" in 3-4-3.
Aren't these supposed to be the best 5* airlines?? I mean I know legroom isn't everything but COME ON.
May 27, 2017, 1:40 pm
#92
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I totally missed this! So much for putting faith in seatguru... I'm flying YVR-TPE and TPE-SEA, booked it assuming it'd be all 3-3-3 according to seatguru... but when I go to manage my trip I can see both TPE-SEA (not surprising given this thread) AND YVR-TPE (don't think that's been mentioned yet but maybe it's all routes by now?) are on 3-4-3.
disappointed.
at least I have free access to what looks like PE/Elite on the HKG-TPE 77W hop with my Y ticket, that was a positive surprise.
disappointed.
at least I have free access to what looks like PE/Elite on the HKG-TPE 77W hop with my Y ticket, that was a positive surprise.
May 27, 2017, 11:09 pm
#93
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I totally missed this! So much for putting faith in seatguru... I'm flying YVR-TPE and TPE-SEA, booked it assuming it'd be all 3-3-3 according to seatguru... but when I go to manage my trip I can see both TPE-SEA (not surprising given this thread) AND YVR-TPE (don't think that's been mentioned yet but maybe it's all routes by now?) are on 3-4-3.
disappointed.
at least I have free access to what looks like PE/Elite on the HKG-TPE 77W hop with my Y ticket, that was a positive surprise.
disappointed.
at least I have free access to what looks like PE/Elite on the HKG-TPE 77W hop with my Y ticket, that was a positive surprise.
SFO is double daily(17x starting this winter) with 10-abreast, YVR and SEA are daily, and VIE is 4x a week.
May 28, 2017, 3:26 am
#94
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Why did they choose Vienna? The other 3 are US west coast destinations, seems random to throw in VIE as well. Oh well, sad to cross another one off the list. But just to be sure, the 3-4-3 configuration has only 31" legroom? Because on some variants on seatguru it says 31-33" and I'm not sure what that means exactly.
May 28, 2017, 10:44 am
#95
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Why did they choose Vienna? The other 3 are US west coast destinations, seems random to throw in VIE as well. Oh well, sad to cross another one off the list. But just to be sure, the 3-4-3 configuration has only 31" legroom? Because on some variants on seatguru it says 31-33" and I'm not sure what that means exactly.
May 30, 2017, 7:32 pm
#96
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YVR gets 10 abreast because BR cannot increase frequency (restricted by air service agreement with Canada) - it can probably support 2x daily 9 abreast at least seasonally. This is also why YVR was the last 747-400 long haul destination... BR actually needed the capacity and large number of Y seats.
SEA gets 10 abreast presumably because 2x daily 9 abreast is too much seats - this is mostly O&D market for BR as it lacks UA feed.
SFO gets 2x 10 abreast presumably because 3x daily 9 abreast is too much seats.
I don't know the load factors on VIE but probably similar as SEA/SFO... multiple daily 9 abreast is too much seats so they go 4x weekly 10 abreast. I don't think BR has much onward feed business at VIE so it is focused on VIE-BKK O&D and TPE-VIE O&D.
SEA gets 10 abreast presumably because 2x daily 9 abreast is too much seats - this is mostly O&D market for BR as it lacks UA feed.
SFO gets 2x 10 abreast presumably because 3x daily 9 abreast is too much seats.
I don't know the load factors on VIE but probably similar as SEA/SFO... multiple daily 9 abreast is too much seats so they go 4x weekly 10 abreast. I don't think BR has much onward feed business at VIE so it is focused on VIE-BKK O&D and TPE-VIE O&D.
Last edited by bzcat; May 30, 2017 at 7:39 pm
May 31, 2017, 8:14 pm
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Jun 1, 2017, 5:47 pm
#98
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You are right... there is more than enough demand from SFO. UA hub and all.
So that means BR will soon have more seats to SFO than LAX.
Sep 8, 2017, 12:44 pm
#101
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It is temporary to carry lot of holiday season people back.
Sep 8, 2017, 2:07 pm
#102
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Holiday-goers need to go home. They are subbing the LHR planes onto the SFO route and moving the 77Bs over to LHR until the holiday season is done.
Sep 11, 2017, 4:31 am
#103
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i really don't like the old entertainment system. The ride from Taipei today was extremely rough.
i still can't stand the new light green color though. 718 to 723 still my favorite to fly.
Sep 11, 2017, 2:13 pm
#104
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725-729 are still the old interior color too.
Dec 12, 2017, 4:32 pm
#105
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Ugh, old news but just found this thread... Had booked remembering 9-across for SEA-TPE and confirmed on seatguru. Should have known not to trust that... 10 across and lost seats next to my companion. #unhappiness . At least for TPAC in Y there is no good option so not like there's a better option out there? :/