Could someone be kind enough and advise what is the load on this flight? Using the booking system it seems there are 2 seat in Business and atleast 9 in Economy.
I have Gold status and wondering if I booked a seat in Economy for this flight what are the chances for an op-up? If there is a chance what is the best way to go about getting an Op-up?
Could someone be kind enough and advise what is the load on this flight? Using the booking system it seems there are 2 seat in Business and atleast 9 in Economy.
I have Gold status and wondering if I booked a seat in Economy for this flight what are the chances for an op-up? If there is a chance what is the best way to go about getting an Op-up?
I have Gold status and wondering if I booked a seat in Economy for this flight what are the chances for an op-up? If there is a chance what is the best way to go about getting an Op-up?
Many thanks
Well, EK does like to oversell their flights, but there appear to be at least 28 seats still on sale in Y, while Business is pretty full. I think you might as well enjoy the great EK lounge and prepare for a flight in Y.
Edit: Having just checked the seat map, I actually think your op-up chances are pretty good. Only six left empty with the flight not even checking-in yet. EK will pre-select Skywards Gold passengers for op-ups at BHX and give you the new boarding pass when boarding, so there is nothing you can do to improve your chances. I would say they are more than 50%.
Last edited by Europeanexplorer; Jan 16, 13 at 5:04 am..
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Actually, that's not the correct way to look read the availability buckets. What it means is that there are at least 9 seats that can be sold in fare buckets Y, E, and R, and at least 1 that can be sold in fare bucket W. W, R, E, and Y are the flex fare buckets and M onwards are saver fares. What it means is that there are no more saver fares remaining, only 1 flex fare in the W bucket, and at least 9 seats that can be sold in the higher flex fare buckets. My take is that Y is close to getting full but just not full yet - or maybe it is and they are overselling in the W, R, and E buckets.
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Well, EK does like to oversell their flights, but there appear to be at least 28 seats still on sale in Y, while Business is pretty full. I think you might as well enjoy the great EK lounge and prepare for a flight in Y.
Edit: Having just checked the seat map, I actually think your op-up chances are pretty good. Only six left empty with the flight not even checking-in yet. EK will pre-select Skywards Gold passengers for op-ups at BHX and give you the new boarding pass when boarding, so there is nothing you can do to improve your chances. I would say they are more than 50%.
Whilst agreeing with your entire opening sentence, I should say the middle bit is not quite right. You can't just add up the seats.
What it means is that there are a minimum of 9 seats remaining (in fact, with Emirates it may well already be full in Economy, but vastly intelligent software means they expect a certain % of no-shows, so can sell at least 9 more seats without under normal circumstances having to deny boarding to anyone). As you know all of those fare codes indicate different prices in Economy.
If there was 90 seats remaining EK Software could have decided that W class fares (say at £300) will sell the remaining 90 seats today, so it doesn't need to open up any cheaper price brackets. It needs to also offer those at the higher fares in case of a) someone wanting more expensive E or Y class fare as it has less restrictions than a W class fare or b) someone with an E or Y class fare needing to rebook onto todays flights (be silly if only the cheaper W class was available).
So basically I would say - hold no assumptions! I would expect a fairly full / full flight, and if anything Business is more likely to be oversold - so there could even be a downgrade!
Only someone at Emirates will know the amount of available seats. Seat Maps, Expert Flyer, GDS's etc are an imprecise science as every airline works to different revenue strategies. i.e. BA will close off the cheapest Economy seats within 72 hours of travel in the UK market irrespective of loads, as they know people that book in last 72 hours from the UK will need to travel direct and pay a premium for a) BA and b) normally direct flights. Emirates strategy is about bums on seats! So i've often seen the flights appear wide open on the day of travel in every booking class and depart 100% full.
Actually, that's not the correct way to look read the availability buckets. What it means is that there are at least 9 seats that can be sold in fare buckets Y, E, and R, and at least 1 that can be sold in fare bucket W. W, R, E, and Y are the flex fare buckets and M onwards are saver fares. What it means is that there are no more saver fares remaining, only 1 flex fare in the W bucket, and at least 9 seats that can be sold in the higher flex fare buckets. My take is that Y is close to getting full but just not full yet - or maybe it is and they are overselling in the W, R, and E buckets.
Let us know if you finally get an op-up.
I am aware of this - hence I said that there are at "least" 28 seats being sold in Y.
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Whilst agreeing with your entire opening sentence, I should say the middle bit is not quite right. You can't just add up the seats.
What it means is that there are a minimum of 9 seats remaining (in fact, with Emirates it may well already be full in Economy, but vastly intelligent software means they expect a certain % of no-shows, so can sell at least 9 more seats without under normal circumstances having to deny boarding to anyone). As you know all of those fare codes indicate different prices in Economy.
If there was 90 seats remaining EK Software could have decided that W class fares (say at £300) will sell the remaining 90 seats today, so it doesn't need to open up any cheaper price brackets. It needs to also offer those at the higher fares in case of a) someone wanting more expensive E or Y class fare as it has less restrictions than a W class fare or b) someone with an E or Y class fare needing to rebook onto todays flights (be silly if only the cheaper W class was available).
So basically I would say - hold no assumptions! I would expect a fairly full / full flight, and if anything Business is more likely to be oversold - so there could even be a downgrade!
Only someone at Emirates will know the amount of available seats. Seat Maps, Expert Flyer, GDS's etc are an imprecise science as every airline works to different revenue strategies. i.e. BA will close off the cheapest Economy seats within 72 hours of travel in the UK market irrespective of loads, as they know people that book in last 72 hours from the UK will need to travel direct and pay a premium for a) BA and b) normally direct flights. Emirates strategy is about bums on seats! So i've often seen the flights appear wide open on the day of travel in every booking class and depart 100% full.
I am well aware of what you write - hence I said that EK are still "selling" at "least" 28 seats. I did not say that 28 seats are left or that this accurately reflects the load.
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The flight is being served by a 3-Class aircraft today so 76 less seats in Y than usual. Is this being reflected in the seat maps you're seeing?
Yes - the seat map reflects this Economy seating beginning in row 17. This a/c change will definitely lead to an upgrade for the OP/
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I am well aware of what you write - hence I said that EK are still "selling" at "least" 28 seats. I did not say that 28 seats are left or that this accurately reflects the load.
My point being they are not selling 28 seats. They are selling 9. If you were to book 9 seats in any available class, all others could zero out. From the information available you cannot say at least 28 seats are being sold, or are available.
My point being they are not selling 28 seats. They are selling 9. If you were to book 9 seats in any available class, all others could zero out. From the information available you cannot say at least 28 seats are being sold, or are available.
I am aware of this - hence I said that there are at "least" 28 seats being sold in Y.
I am well aware of what you write - hence I said that EK are still "selling" at "least" 28 seats. I did not say that 28 seats are left or that this accurately reflects the load.
Yes - the seat map reflects this Economy seating beginning in row 17. This a/c change will definitely lead to an upgrade for the OP/
That is not how you read the fare buckets. You do not add them together. It simply means that they are willing to sell 9 Y type tickets, or E, or R at the point the query is made. If 9 Y tickets are sold, it may zero out or reduce the number of all fare buckets.
Also note that as 9 is the highest displayed, it could be there is more available to be sold.
Also, it may be that as it is J2 Y9, there are actually only 7 seats in economy, and 2 in business, but they are willing to sell either 2 business, or 9 full fare economy.
