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damn it! I was going to post this thread around June/July after seeing the tremendous success of the 2008 New Routes thread. Still, that was only posted in October 2007!
With LAX on cue to start in September, and EZE rumoured to start at the very end of this year, then I'd say that SFO could very well be lined up for 2009.
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Originally Posted by directorguy_
With LAX on cue to start in September, and EZE rumoured to start at the very end of this year, then I'd say that SFO could very well be lined up for 2009.
Emirates said they wanted to expand majorly in the United States this year, & they've partly acheived that but SFO, IAD & EWR seem likely candidates. I'm not sure if I read something too fast but was MIA being looked at (via MAD?). Also, I remember a post about Caracas for oil (& Calgary).
As a UK resident, & given Emirates sizeable presence here, Edinburgh seems another landing point, along with Stansted for total London coverage (London is currently 8x daily - most in the network?). Higher yield than Glasgow, but with less demand. Dublin in Ireland could also work. Brussels seems to be an obvious place with SN Brussels African connections (huge percentages connect to the Gulf), the business community there & the EU. Elsewhere, Barcelona could complement Madrid well & give Singapore Airlines a run for their money.
Adelaide is very underserved by Qantas internationally & Singapore Airlines have exploited this. Again, this monopoly needs to end to increase EKs already sizeable presence there.
Whilst it was made obvious in the 2008 thread that Tokyo Narita is definetly on the radar, the question isn't an if or when but how. NRT is completely governed by slots. Early evening arrival & one of the last departure slots would seem to be the EK prime times. The early evening one I see as the difficult one looking at NRTs departure schedule.
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Doesn't EK serve EWR from Gatwick? At least a few days a week or is this service gone again? I am pretty sure I saw them at least once in Newark.
We all know that they would do Berlin and Stuttgart right away if they would be allowed, I doubt the German authorities will relax on EK anytime soon.
The flight definetly does codeshare with Continental, connecting onto the earlier Newark departure which was until yesterday operated by a B777. However, that particular B777 rotation is now at Heathrow. I suspect the codeshare agreement may well move across too.
According to another thread on this forum, nothing more will happen in Germany till at the earliest 2011!
I'd love to see SFO, IAD and MIA happen, along with Montreal. A DXB-MAD/BCN-MIA route seems likely but if EK ever chose to fly to a city in Central/South America, then they could route it through MIA.
The Benelux is not served at all by EK, and Brussels would make an excellent addition to the network. I can imagine large growth in that market and once Brussels goes double daily after a short while, Amsterdam would be a natural choice.
About Adelaide, Emirates doesn't even fly there ! I'm quite surprised, considering it seems to have large capacity and looks to be a very modern facility. How this has never been mentioned I don't know. Maybe there's a limit to the number of cities EK can serve (they serve 4 already). Both EY and QR have recieved the cold shoulder treatment from the OZs.
Here is a list of destinations I would like EK to serve:
Adelaide-Monopolized by SQ and other Asian carriers and EK should tap into money just waiting to happen.
Barcelona-
Amsterdam-To eat ito KLM's long-haul market share
Barcelona
Madrid
Brussels-With SN African connections and Gulf connections
Washington-Dulles
Chicago
San Francisco
Medina-I know its a regional city and most ppl will be like wt the hell but I'm thinking of all those pax from Pakistan and India. Surely a seasonal (Hajj season) service could be a hit?
Luxor/Sharm el Sheikh/Hurghada-Ideal holiday markets that should be exploited. Currently served by European charters. Once an A330 opens up, EK could start a few weekly services on low prices with proper marketing and wait for the magic to happen.
Dublin-With Aer Lingus ending its DXB services, then EK should be able to control transiting pax onwards to Asia.
I haven't mentioned any Indian or Indian subcontinent cities because I'm not an expert on them. However, there seems to be an endless supply of cities there and some keep coming up on the message boards (can't remember which) so its safe to assume that 1-2 such cities could start next year.
I don't think Edinburgh will start anytime soon. In my opinion, EK should secure other regoons before expanding into the UK market AGAIN. It would be interesting to see London-Stanstead happening to serve that part of England. A330s all the way, my friend!
Doubt it will happen (well at least not in 2009) but a BNE/SYD/MEL flight to LAX/SFO would be great. It's a lucrative route with high yield and loads. Hopefully the AU-US governments keep rolling with opening up the route (with V Australia starting flights in Dec). I think the QLD government would jump at the chance to have more direct flights from the US into BNE. It would be a matter of EK seeing the potential and the federal government not protecting Qantas!
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Originally Posted by directorguy_
I'd love to see SFO, IAD and MIA happen, along with Montreal. A DXB-MAD/BCN-MIA route seems likely but if EK ever chose to fly to a city in Central/South America, then they could route it through MIA.
The Benelux is not served at all by EK, and Brussels would make an excellent addition to the network. I can imagine large growth in that market and once Brussels goes double daily after a short while, Amsterdam would be a natural choice.
About Adelaide, Emirates doesn't even fly there ! I'm quite surprised, considering it seems to have large capacity and looks to be a very modern facility. How this has never been mentioned I don't know. Maybe there's a limit to the number of cities EK can serve (they serve 4 already). Both EY and QR have recieved the cold shoulder treatment from the OZs.
Here is a list of destinations I would like EK to serve:
Adelaide-Monopolized by SQ and other Asian carriers and EK should tap into money just waiting to happen.
Barcelona-
Amsterdam-To eat ito KLM's long-haul market share
Barcelona
Madrid
Brussels-With SN African connections and Gulf connections
Washington-Dulles
Chicago
San Francisco
Medina-I know its a regional city and most ppl will be like wt the hell but I'm thinking of all those pax from Pakistan and India. Surely a seasonal (Hajj season) service could be a hit?
Luxor/Sharm el Sheikh/Hurghada-Ideal holiday markets that should be exploited. Currently served by European charters. Once an A330 opens up, EK could start a few weekly services on low prices with proper marketing and wait for the magic to happen.
Dublin-With Aer Lingus ending its DXB services, then EK should be able to control transiting pax onwards to Asia.
I haven't mentioned any Indian or Indian subcontinent cities because I'm not an expert on them. However, there seems to be an endless supply of cities there and some keep coming up on the message boards (can't remember which) so its safe to assume that 1-2 such cities could start next year.
I don't think Edinburgh will start anytime soon. In my opinion, EK should secure other regoons before expanding into the UK market AGAIN. It would be interesting to see London-Stanstead happening to serve that part of England. A330s all the way, my friend!
Good ole' speculating....
Right, here we go
North America expansion subject to equipment.
10x B77L coming. GRU/IAH double daily needs 4. LAX needs another 2 to go daily. Therefore SFO could perhaps fit in in mid 2009. I suspect LAX will get a second daily overnight from DXB. Otherwise, MIA will require B77L to fly non-stop. I suspect though that this would do well flying through MAD/BCN for example.
EWR
IAD
SFO
MIA
YVR
YYC
SEA - all those triple sevens!
Latin America
In the 2008 thread, GIG was rumoured to be A340-500 with an extension service to EZE. Caracas was rumoured for oil reasons.
GIG
CCS
Europe
DUB - EI pull out & no ex-DUB longhauls going eastwards.
EDI - major financial city in UK. Much better yields than GLA but less traffic.
STN - excellent expansion oppurtunity that doesn't stretch current resources. Low density B777s
TLS - all those Airbus birds! (& onwards to SVQ...)
MRS
BCN
LIS
GVA - Swiss banks
BRU - underserved. political, business & african connections. single daily frequency in current banks would ty in at BRU end well with Brussels Airlines long haul ops
AMS
TXL/STR - not happening till 2011 at earliest
CPH
ARN
HEL
OSL
PRG - surprising amount of asian tourist traffic etc.
LED
Africa
RAK
ABV
DUR
SSH
Australasia
ADL
DRW - A330 range (just...) small market but lacks connections other than Far East
I never considered the idea of EK operating between two such points (e.g. SYD-LAX). Is this really possible? For this to happen EK would have to have a HUGE fleet (the aircraft rotation would be like hell I guess) to fly DXB-LAX-SYD.
EK would be extremely lucky to have such a route without much competition. I wish EK would be able to get rights on LHR-JFK.
As for Medina, there's no rush but it would be nice, or if EK can increase frequencies to Saudi Arabia.
These destinations would also work:
CEB (Cebu)
ALP (Aleppo in Syria)
CGN (Cologne/Bonn, in Germany, and falls under the Stuttgart+Berlin dilemma and is equally lucrative).
How about a Central America/Caribbean destination? Would MIA be the 'gateway'?
ATL (It IS the busiest airport in the world and should be on the short-list).
BOS
I think that NRT is likely to start 2009 as its high-demand and an important destination for any airline.
Last edited by directorguy_; Apr 2, 08 at 3:10 pm.
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I never considered the idea of EK operating between two such points (e.g. SYD-LAX). Is this really possible? For this to happen EK would have to have a HUGE fleet (the aircraft rotation would be like hell I guess) to fly DXB-LAX-SYD. EK would be extremely lucky to have such a route without much competition. I wish EK would be able to get rights on LHR-JFK.
I think EK could if they wanted to. If the AU-US governments continue opening up the route, SQ would jump on it for sure - they've had the pressure on to open up the route for a long time. Remember there are only two airlines flying direct SYD-LAX being QF and UA. V Australia starts direct flights from November. I think EK could do DXB-SYD-LAX and DXB-BNE-LAX and make a killing. I also don't think it is long before we see DXB-MAD/BCN-MIA and I think a DXB-LHR-JFK would do well too.
If remember when DAE was looking at buying AKL rumors were flying around in our press about how EK was looking to make AKL a mini-hub. I doubt there is much truth in this though as I don't see the point in EK making a mini-hub in a city of just over 1,000,000 people. A few onwards flights from BNE and SYD is a different ball game though and I think in the future if there is an AU-US 'Open Skies' it would be worth investigation at the least.
North America expansion subject to equipment.
10x B77L coming. GRU/IAH double daily needs 4. LAX needs another 2 to go daily. Therefore SFO could perhaps fit in in mid 2009. I suspect LAX will get a second daily overnight from DXB. Otherwise, MIA will require B77L to fly non-stop. I suspect though that this would do well flying through MAD/BCN for example.
EWR
IAD
SFO
MIA
YVR
YYC
SEA - all those triple sevens!
I heard EK is considering another more new cities in USA coming soon sometimes near the future but, not right now. Perhaps, its shall waits to see if EK is searchable more exploring new nonstop by -200LR from DXB-MIA/SEA/LAS/SFO/ORD/DTW/ATL as well PHX. I'm ensure if they could EK wants more new routes from DXB-ATL due to direct competition with DL. I think that I hear DL is very successfully routes from ATL-DXB but, its has already increased frequencies from ATL-DXB during 5x weekly roundtrip. I'm sure EK will keep their logical choice more exploring new network to USA.
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