MAN currently double daily high-density B77Ws doesn't need the 3rd daily frequency since it wouldn't tie over the waves of traffic at DXB which is relevant to MAN.
Emirates want to start a 3rd daily from MAN. They've also stated that they'll introduce the A380 in 2010 - assuming things don't go completely pear shaped with the economy.
Mmm...an additional CAI frequency sounds great. Anything to improve the current 11x weekly to perhaps 18x.
LCY is impossible-LTN or STN.
Wonder if there's an A380 out there with NRT's name on it as was mentioned earlier. Also, if the Boeing 747-8 order will happen. I'd love to see EK operate at least 12-15 748s.
I read somewhere that EK needed 747-8s to open up the West Coast or a different A380 a/c with greater range. Why is this, when SFO is 12,000km away and the current A380 has a range of 15,200km?
You guys are sure passionate on here...its awesome to see!
I have a correction of mine that a work mate pointed out! LTN LTN LTN LTN and not LCY haha i was reading a LH story about LCY and it was on my mind when typing yesterday but LTN is where out A/C will be off to I was just reading today on a memo we are studying a LH route...DXB-MUC that uses a a/c for only business class flights...maybe this would occur on LTN in the future...but i am sure we are going LTN with a 330 soon!
ON sth america...EY wont have a GRU for years to come...they need to strengthen there asian flights and former USSR citys b4 the venture else where....and like EK they will look more towards USA. I can promise you a second daily GRU is on the cards and final work is in process for this to begin...EZE not on cards yet..there was talk abouts a tag from GRU but that was scraped a long time ago...a tag from Euroupe to MEX or somewhere down that line would be more on the cards..but give it a year or THREE first!.
With MAN guys...A380 is very much needed. Very high load factors etc and a third daily is not on the cards!! it was 2 years ago and then taken off!
LGW would not get a a380... i mean one of 011 is still a 330 and it never fills up!
maybe EK 29 to LHR but what we hear and the memo i read is MAN on the cards first!
Dont mind the grilling i see your points....
I dont always agree with the stuff that goes down in EK but ill give ya alittle info as i get it!
Also know that a ADELAIDE study is underway...commenced last week..and if it did occur via SIN for sure!
I do know some developments on JAPAN..but ill keep it under wraps for now...let ya know as soon as it becomes more known...but no 380 on cards for NRT.
Also found out today EK is in partnership with NAA the people who operate LAGOS international airport to build a A380 gate there ASAP..so we all knows what that means.
jetboy, Anything planned for NCL, flight to JFK ? using NCL as stopover.
No other flights to USA so no competition at all. EK would do well here i think.
i have not heard anything about NCL to usa flights..NCL is never full so not too sure how that would go....could be a flop like DXB HAM JFK was.....
but yeah nothing i can infom you of soz mate
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You guys are sure passionate on here...its awesome to see!
I have a correction of mine that a work mate pointed out! LTN LTN LTN LTN and not LCY haha i was reading a LH story about LCY and it was on my mind when typing yesterday but LTN is where out A/C will be off to I was just reading today on a memo we are studying a LH route...DXB-MUC that uses a a/c for only business class flights...maybe this would occur on LTN in the future...but i am sure we are going LTN with a 330 soon!
Luton would be a very interesting prospect, especiall ahead of Stansted. 7,087ft runway will be interesting. Silverjet went out with a 5 ton weight penalty on cargo to Newark. Interesting how this will perform when/if it takes off.
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Also know that a ADELAIDE study is underway...commenced last week..and if it did occur via SIN for sure!
Given that Qantas has no international service & SQ only fly there a few times a week this ought to be worth watching!
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Emirates want to start a 3rd daily from MAN. They've also stated that they'll introduce the A380 in 2010 - assuming things don't go completely pear shaped with the economy.
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With MAN guys...A380 is very much needed. Very high load factors etc and a third daily is not on the cards!! it was 2 years ago and then taken off!
LGW would not get a a380... i mean one of 011 is still a 330 and it never fills up!
maybe EK 29 to LHR but what we hear and the memo i read is MAN on the cards first!
The 3rd LGW flight is an overnight from DXB & mid morning return. This would be similar timings to any 3rd wave of european flights. The problem lies in that there are fewer useful connections at both ends during that time except perhaps India, but then again, who wants to fly that early when there are more reasonably timed flights later? EK15/16 is packed out as are the two Manchester flights. High density A380s double daily would make more sense than a 3rd flight.
Finally, may be a little off topic... Will the high-density 604 seat A380s feature the new flatbeds?
I can promise you a second daily GRU is on the cards and final work is in process for this to begin...EZE not on cards yet..there was talk abouts a tag from GRU but that was scraped a long time ago...a tag from Euroupe to MEX or somewhere down that line would be more on the cards..but give it a year or THREE first!.
We know GRU is doing extremely well for EK and the flight operates with high loads and yields. Would it be possible to expect DXB-GIG instead of a double daily DXB-GRU?
GIG has become an interesting market: AF will start its second daily dedicated CDG-GIG in October, BA announced LHR-GIG dedicated starting October, while CO announced IAH-GIG B764 staring December, and DL is doing extremely well on its ATL-GIG. Any chance for GIG in EK plans?
EK also has to note that GRU has slot restrictions and this explains EK less optimal departure schedule from GRU as no timeslot is available for a quicker turnaround of the aircraft. EK arrives 18h30 but only departs at 01h25. Korean Air which recently started ICN-GRU had to adjust its schedule because of slots restrictions as well. Late evening departures are extremelly busy in GRU, especially with the rapid expansion of TAM and all its new flights and operations.
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Interesting commentary. I remember reading that UAE-Brazil bilateral only allows 14 weekly flights on the UAE side (generous) & that the extra frequency should either go to GIG, rather than GRU which can be simply upgraded before EY nabs a daily Brazil frequency. What's the feasability of putting a B77W on GRU? Could EZE work as a tag on from GRU?
The Brazil-UAE bilateral is extremely generous. The previous bilateral dated June 2004 allowed for 14 unrestricted weekly flights.
The bilateral was recently revised on 27 August 2008 and now read as follows:
- 14 weekly flights to any destination in Brazil;
- additional 8 weekly flights from July 2008;
- additional 8 weekly flights from June 2009;
- additional 6 weekly flights from October 2009;
- additional 6 weekly flights from October 2010.
5th freedom rights to/from any point in Africa and South America (which means EK could fly DXB-GIG-EZE).
No restrictions applies to operations in GRU, GIG or elsewhere in Brazil.
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EK also has to note that GRU has slot restrictions and this explains EK less optimal departure schedule from GRU as no timeslot is available for a quicker turnaround of the aircraft. EK arrives 18h30 but only departs at 01h25. Korean Air which recently started ICN-GRU had to adjust its schedule because of slots restrictions as well. Late evening departures are extremelly busy in GRU, especially with the rapid expansion of TAM and all its new flights and operations.
Emirates makes a killing off networking Brazil to the Far East. I doubt that there are no earlier slots that 01:25, but more that a midnight arrival in DXB is deemed necessary to connect to PEK/PVG/NGO/KIX etc.
Emirates makes a killing off networking Brazil to the Far East. I doubt that there are no earlier slots that 01:25, but more that a midnight arrival in DXB is deemed necessary to connect to PEK/PVG/NGO/KIX etc.
No slots or almost no slots are avaible in GRU before 1am. The airport is extremely busy with US-bound departures: for you to have an idea AA alone uses 6 gates with 6 x B777s in GRU to MIA, DFW, and JFK all departing about the same time. TAM is only managing to add long-haul flights because it is replacing its domestic flight slots with internatioal operations.
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No slots or almost no slots are avaible in GRU before 1am. The airport is extremely busy with US-bound departures: for you to have an idea AA alone uses 6 gates with 6 x B777s in GRU to MIA, DFW, and JFK all departing about the same time. TAM is only managing to add long-haul flights because it is replacing its domestic flight slots with internatioal operations.
Rgs,
The latest US carrier flight I've found is at 22:55 DL104 to ATL. I can't account for TAM but I stand by saying that Emirates chooses to make the flight so late for the sake of connections to the Far East. Granted it's busy but EK could be flying 2 hours before hand if the aircraft was on stand (having been catered/cleaned etc. at a remote stand - landing at 18:30) after the american waves at 9/10pm.
I was just reading today on a memo we are studying a LH route...DXB-MUC that uses a a/c for only business class flights...maybe this would occur on LTN in the future...but i am sure we are going LTN with a 330 soon!
