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But is there really a demand for NCL-NYC flights ?
Remember that only a couple of years ago, AA announced in a blaze of publicity (press conferences in London and so on) that it would fly daily from NCL to JFK and everything was set to go ahead.
But at the last minute AA decided the route wouldn't be viable so it scrapped its plans much to the embarrassment of NCL airport management.
Yes!! There's demand. Newcastles quite a big city & to get across the pond one must either drive to Manchester area or connect, both of which are hugely inconvenient. Look at the success of the NCL-DXB to see how a single long-haul link lightens the whole place up.
American Airlines cancelled their planned NCL-JFK B757 link due to network wide capacity & network cuts due to the price of fuel. It wasn't due to the demand, more AA had too much going on.
Though Seattle is on Emirates' radar as a destination, it's likely near the bottom of a list that includes Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia and Washington, D.C.
emirates 777, I just saw this statement on wikipedia is there any truth to this 2009, for madrid, miami, phoenix? what about ord, pnq etc?
quote: "Emirates is also planning to begin service to Miami[24] and Phoenix[25] in the United States, and Madrid, Spain in Spring 2009.[26]"
Absolutely, hopefully if EK is still on the listed for PHX, MAD or MIA. If EK will direct from DXB-PHX by operated of B777-200LR. I'll find out if EK is considered more specific new routes is coming in 2009. Right now, EK has already previously announced for DXB-LAX/SFO later in the fall of 2008. It is operated of 777-200LR both direction from DXB-LAX/SFO, too.
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I checked out the article and it seems that Phoenix wants the EK service, but there's no statement from EK regarding Phoenix. In terms of North American expansion, the list should be something like this (with priority on top)
Major gateways:
ORD
MIA
ATL
IAD
DFW
Montreal
PHX or MSP
I checked out the article and it seems that Phoenix wants the EK service, but there's no statement from EK regarding Phoenix. In terms of North American expansion, the list should be something like this (with priority on top)
Major gateways:
ORD
MIA
ATL
IAD
DFW
Montreal
PHX or MSP
And also LAS & SEA, too.
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With the sub-continent pretty much blanked out by Emirates, a strong possibility for a new route is ATQ-DXB. It has been in the news recently, so I am hoping it does come on line this year. Upto third of passengers from DEL are from the the region surrounding ATQ, and with connections to BHX/LHR/JFK/SFO, it will fill quickly.
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EK have at least 2 daily flights into CGK, some days 3 and usually not full on the CGK-SIN sector. IF, they could get rights they would clean up by diverting one of these flights into DPS. There is a serious lack of capacity on the DPS-SIN route. This, for instance allows SQ to charge almost USD1000 for J Class return, a 2 hour flight. And it's difficult to get a seat!!
Qatar airways fly DPS-KUL but the departure time is 03:00A so that's not very practical. If EK could get in it would be great for customers and for EK.
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I checked out the article and it seems that Phoenix wants the EK service, but there's no statement from EK regarding Phoenix. In terms of North American expansion, the list should be something like this (with priority on top)
Major gateways:
ORD
MIA
ATL
IAD
DFW
Montreal
PHX or MSP
ATL is only good for Delta connections & has little demand itself. The reason that it's the world's largest airport (for passenger numbers) is that it's a mighty fortress hub for Delta, & then mostly domestic flights. Unless Delta became very well aligned (I doubt EK would chase this up) then it would bear little fruit.
MIA couldn't be served non-stop due to range issues. B77L/A345 would be needed & are currently maxed out. Montreal is a no-go because Canada won't let more flights in - hence no daily Toronto.
Minneapolis?! Same as Delta - really only a NW hub. For the reason it's at the top end of the country & a convenient entry point for Asia/European flights.
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And also LAS & SEA, too.
If any of you have ever flown BA from LHR to SEA, you'll know how big the indian market is. SEA is lucrative destination with Microsoft, Boeing etc. & dozens of smaller companies too.
Vegas would be such an 'Emirates' destination to fly to...
I made the list in order of 'priority'. Here's my reworked, up-to-date list:
[b]Chicago ORD/B] This is a major U.S. gateway and has strong local traffic from around the world. MIA Miami A very 'Emirates' destination as someone mentioned. It's got strong international traffic and although the European carriers serving it with high frequencies have strong local originating traffic, EK can work this out by routing MIA via a European city MAD seems to be a popular choice. But MIA is 3rd only to JFK and LAX in terms of international traffic. SEA Seattle would be great due to high Indian pax connecting. Although not a major gateway, it would probably work due to aformentioned reason. BOS Can't believe I didn't mention that. It's a major city and although a lesser US gateway it could work. IAD Washington-Dulles Flying to a major economic and political capital would add new prestige to the airline. DFW Dallas-Fort Worth Strong oil ties. If Houston could work, then so can Dallas. ATL Atlanta Although ATL is big mainly because of DL, I imagine that it's got strong economic ties, esp. with Asian countries. MSP Minneapolis St. Paul Assuming that EK has opened up the previous, then this could be next on the list. It doesn't have to be MSP, it could be DWT Detroit or DEN Denver LAS Las Vegas would be a very 'Emirates' destination, but surprisingly, international traffic is weak. Unless they route the services via some rich oil sheikh's private airbase ! PHL Philadelphia would be the same case at BOS but it's never to early to think about it...
I think you meant UA has already previously announced for IAD-DXB is beginning around in November 2008. It will be operated of 777-200ER. I'm sure UA will be very successfully routes from IAD-DXB. I don't mention that you know UA is doing extremely very well. I don't think EK will ever bring into IAD anytime soon. Its logical choice both EK or UA.
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I'm not saying that EK will bring around these destinations anytime soon. They are aggresively expanding, yes, but that could mean they're simply adding frequencies.
At the current rate, a destination like IAD could happen like 10 years from now. Or 8. By then the market requirements could be different. IAD-DXB could be a moderate success or UA could announce an extra daily by summer 2009. It's too early to tell.
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I made the list in order of 'priority'. Here's my reworked, up-to-date list:
[b]Chicago ORD/B] This is a major U.S. gateway and has strong local traffic from around the world. MIA Miami A very 'Emirates' destination as someone mentioned. It's got strong international traffic and although the European carriers serving it with high frequencies have strong local originating traffic, EK can work this out by routing MIA via a European city MAD seems to be a popular choice. But MIA is 3rd only to JFK and LAX in terms of international traffic. SEA Seattle would be great due to high Indian pax connecting. Although not a major gateway, it would probably work due to aformentioned reason. BOS Can't believe I didn't mention that. It's a major city and although a lesser US gateway it could work. IAD Washington-Dulles Flying to a major economic and political capital would add new prestige to the airline. DFW Dallas-Fort Worth Strong oil ties. If Houston could work, then so can Dallas. ATL Atlanta Although ATL is big mainly because of DL, I imagine that it's got strong economic ties, esp. with Asian countries. MSP Minneapolis St. Paul Assuming that EK has opened up the previous, then this could be next on the list. It doesn't have to be MSP, it could be DWT Detroit or DEN Denver LAS Las Vegas would be a very 'Emirates' destination, but surprisingly, international traffic is weak. Unless they route the services via some rich oil sheikh's private airbase ! PHL Philadelphia would be the same case at BOS but it's never to early to think about it...
Your list of dream american destionations certainly extends quite far across the country & the imagination. However, a return US trip needs at least 2 birds to fly a daily service. Emirates are of course oober efficient in terms of plane use & redistribute capacity often & accordingly. However, in light of the price of fuel, I can't see Emirates raring to dip in to some of these destinations regardless of the reasons. Chicago is the only one which seems to ring sweet tunes & according to the 2008 New Routes thread something was being organised there. For the others;
MIA > gateway in that sense. American Airlines have a hub there which is almost dedicated to South American routes which is certainly an AA forte! European routes are strong to MAD (Latin American connections). The only other major destination that features to Europe is London. Strong business links & the demand for a spot of sun in Florida!
SEA > Another west coast destination would really need the Indian connections in the back & the Emirates executives up front (en route to sign for more B777s...). However, in light of the recent flood of European flights from SeaTac I can't see this going anywhere given the cost of fuel & the crash in prices.
BOS > It's a seasonal destination down back with a consistant demand for corporate travel. It's not BIG enough to sustain flights, especially given the fares out of season on European carriers. PHL is sandwiches between Washington & New York. EWR is more likely that PHL sincec the New York market is obviously bigger.
IAD > In light of United's decision to launch the route, & there partnership that lessens any chance of an EK service. Again it's a seasonal route.
DFW > Why add another ULH flight which will need specialised aircraft when you can route people through JFK or another terminus. Sure, it's got similar credentials to IAH but it doesn't make sense. IAH would seemingly go double daily first.
ATL/MSP > Frequent flier base will be all Delta. Delta fly ATL-DXB already. ATL as meantioned before isn't a huge destination in it's own right & is only such a successful operation due to Delta's successful fortress. It remains a very domestic orientated hub, even after Delta's international expansion in 2005 during there restructuring. It makes no sense when passengers can be routed through JFK etc. & the flight would need a higher performance aircraft.
I fail to understand why MSP keeps being meantioned... It is simply a well located airport for a hub for Northwest since flights from Asia can connect to pretty much everywhere. It is NW's equivalent of ORD. I'm sure EK are much more keen on Chicago than Minneapolis. Apart from Skyteam ops, MSP has no European carrier flying to it. DTW has some arab population but I beleive Royal Jordanian flies to this? Denver is a very low yield destination internationally. Hub for United, only served by *A carriers & BA. BA operate their high-density B777s on this route. Not much extra it can deliver over ORD which is closer to Dubai
LAS > Internationally, it only really succeeds on high-density loads from Europe. Incidentally, Virgin Atlantics daily B747-400 (from Gatwick & therefore a high-density config) is one of their higher performing flights in the premium cabin.
Your list of dream american destionations certainly extends quite far across the country & the imagination. However, a return US trip needs at least 2 birds to fly a daily service.
It's not a 'dream list'-it's simply a list of cities that Emirates could choose to serve one day.
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MIA > gateway in that sense. American Airlines have a hub there which is almost dedicated to South American routes which is certainly an AA forte! European routes are strong to MAD (Latin American connections). The only other major destination that features to Europe is London. Strong business links & the demand for a spot of sun in Florida!
Despite being an AA fortress I feel that this city could work well for the airline, especially if routed via a European city. Emirates' main problem regarding US expansion is that it relies on pax from Asia to fill its planes-when it reality it should be having traffic from Europe.
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SEA > Another west coast destination would really need the Indian connections in the back & the Emirates executives up front (en route to sign for more B777s...). However, in light of the recent flood of European flights from SeaTac I can't see this going anywhere given the cost of fuel & the crash in prices.
It's a good destination for Emirates-and remember that EK's low costs could make any city quite profitable-well, more profitable than say if BA flew DXB-SEA.
BOS > It's a seasonal destination down back with a consistant demand for corporate travel. It's not BIG enough to sustain flights, especially given the fares out of season on European carriers. PHL is sandwiches between Washington & New York. EWR is more likely that PHL sincec the New York market is obviously bigger.
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IAD > In light of United's decision to launch the route, & there partnership that lessens any chance of an EK service. Again it's a seasonal route.
Remember that Qatar Airways also serves this destination-but it's a fairly strategic addition to the network and seems eligible for the long-list-but not the short-list.
I mentioned several fortress hubs which work for other airlines but won't necessarily have traffic to support a high-frequency non-stop from the Middle East. E.g. ATL, MSP, DFW, DEN etc.
In reality, Emirates would know better than to tackle fortress hubs given the current conditions (lack of traffic and bad economic situation). But I'm saying that Emirates/Dubai has already come a long way-who would have thought that an airline based in the middle of nowhere would one day challenge 'traditional' carriers? Once the current economic situation stablizes (and this could be 15 years into the future), I am confident that when the time is right, Emirates will pounce once again and link Dubai with these cities one day.
As mentioned before, the list I made isn't necessarily realistic-and I'm not imagining that it will happen straight away.
). However, in light of the recent flood of European flights from SeaTac I can't see this going anywhere given the cost of fuel & the crash in prices.
