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Originally Posted by directorguy_
Would EK really want to use their aircraft to fly to JFK from Europe? NCL-JFK would have no direct competiton, but will the loads really justify such a service? Any idea on how HAM-JFK was doing? Seems to me that it could turn into a long-term commitment.
So, potentially EK begins flying
-Europe-North America to capitalise on the new EU-US Open Skies agreement with routes like NCL-JFK & MAD-MIA.
Firstly, given the current fuel prices EK may not want another direct. Second, it doesn't use up that much more of an aircraft. DXB-HAM-JFK wasn't that much longer than the non-stop. Therefore, it wouldn't use up the more capable aircraft & allows them to be deployed elsewhere.
Newcastle is in desperate need of a scheduled transatlantic link. Given EK are making a name for themselves already there with the flights going east, the could easily suppot a triple seven flying DXB-NCL-JFK.
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Originally Posted by smashley
I think DUR would be fantastic to start in 2009. Huge Indian community and World Cup. Plus complete lack of international flights forcing everyone to route through JNB which is just a pain in the _____. I think if the service ran three days minimum a week it would do fine.
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Originally Posted by directorguy_
As Cape Town has just started and EK is increasing frequency at JNB, then its safe to assume that DUR is high on the list and could start by 2010.
Can anyone confirm that EK is the official carrier for the 2010 FIFA? I know it was in 2006, but has the 2010 been decided? If this is the case, then Durban is definately on by then.
Durban could well be launched for that very purpose. Didn't see that...
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Originally Posted by DYKWIA
So in the space of 2 days this has gone from wishful thinking to a proposed EK route...
Shouldn't this thread be for New Routes for 2009, and not 'when will Emirates come to my home town'?
Cheers,
Rick
Minneapolis? I'm not even going to start.
Although I certainly wouldn't mind watching an EK A330 land at my local SOU.
How about PHX? According to this article Phoenix seems to be eager to have Emirates start services. Any word about that? Virtually no competition (except for BA) so if the market is underserved then EK would have a large share of the market to themselves. http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoen...l?surround=lfn
EDI - major financial city in UK. Much better yields than GLA but less traffic.
Don't know where you get that from? Business Class is regularly full on the GLA flight and they have some of the highest fares on any of their UK routes. No EDI service on the horizon Im afraid and only then if no other Middle East carrier start one before then. Both NCL and GLA too close to EDI anyway.
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Originally Posted by directorguy_
How about PHX? According to this article Phoenix seems to be eager to have Emirates start services. Any word about that? Virtually no competition (except for BA) so if the market is underserved then EK would have a large share of the market to themselves. http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoen...l?surround=lfn
Doesn't everyone want a service from EK? What's the Arab/Indian/African population like there?
Still, PHX is a no can do non-stop since B77Ls are to be maxed out on frequencies. A single stop may work however...
I think Emirates would be seen in Vegas first though...
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Originally Posted by HIDDY
Don't know where you get that from? Business Class is regularly full on the GLA flight and they have some of the highest fares on any of their UK routes. No EDI service on the horizon Im afraid and only then if no other Middle East carrier start one before then. Both NCL and GLA too close to EDI anyway.
Living in Edinburgh, you don't drive to GLA or NCL to catch a flight. The business community there is strong, the financial community, scottish politics & 2nd largest population in Scotland. Whilst GLA is undoubtably bigger & has more demand, it is only fractionally larger. EDI is also the airport highlighted for a 2nd runaway - not GLA. Emirates were interested in going double daily out of GLA AFAIK, but EDI could make more sense. 3 class A330 would catch everything going east out of EDI.
With LAX on cue to start in September, and EZE rumoured to start at the very end of this year, then I'd say that SFO could very well be lined up for 2009.
it's already been announced to begin oct 26th from sfo.
With LAX on cue to start in September, and EZE rumoured to start at the very end of this year, then I'd say that SFO could very well be lined up for 2009.
it's already been announced to begin oct 26th 2008 from sfo.
I think DUR would be fantastic to start in 2009. Huge Indian community and World Cup. Plus complete lack of international flights forcing everyone to route through JNB which is just a pain in the _____. I think if the service ran three days minimum a week it would do fine.
I asked an ek rep over the phone when I was in SA april 8th, and they confirmed that dxb-dur-dxb ek is already scheduled to start dec 2008.
co'mon gang! I'm still eager for 2009 ek new routes for 2009. that's why I started the thread. premature or not. It's still on!
emirates 777 is strangely silent. He's likely got the inside info. I've heard the buzz that pune and amrtsar are on target for late dec 2008 or early 2009.
what I've been asking in the 2008 ek route thread is for Jaipur flights. does anyone have any concrete indication of that happening?
emirates 777 wrote in ek 2008 route thread about 2009 (which is what I want to read about now!)
"Next announcements will likely be European routes and possibly another African and South American route.
If the B77L from the EK306/307 DXB-PEK-DXB is freed up, then along with the 10th and final B77L (due in 1Q09) another ULR route can be started - probably a max of 6x weekly. This could be the new South America service starting with a 3x weekly initially then building upwards in frequency or a booster to IAH frequencies.
Once more A380s arrive in 2009, the A345s will be freed up from Australian routes to commence more ULR services to the Americas - I've heard at least 3 additional ULR routes pencilled in for 2009.
Rgds
Emirates777[/quote]"
gee I wonder if that means ord, mia, iad like was on the 'wish lists'
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co'mon gang! I'm still eager for 2009 ek new routes for 2009. that's why I started the thread. premature or not. It's still on!
emirates 777 is strangely silent. He's likely got the inside info. I've heard the buzz that pune and amrtsar are on target for late dec 2008 or early 2009.
what I've been asking in the 2008 ek route thread is for Jaipur flights. does anyone have any concrete indication of that happening?
emirates 777 wrote in ek 2008 route thread about 2009 (which is what I want to read about now!)
"Next announcements will likely be European routes and possibly another African and South American route.
If the B77L from the EK306/307 DXB-PEK-DXB is freed up, then along with the 10th and final B77L (due in 1Q09) another ULR route can be started - probably a max of 6x weekly. This could be the new South America service starting with a 3x weekly initially then building upwards in frequency or a booster to IAH frequencies.
Once more A380s arrive in 2009, the A345s will be freed up from Australian routes to commence more ULR services to the Americas - I've heard at least 3 additional ULR routes pencilled in for 2009.
Rgds
Emirates777
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The reason this thread is premature, is that it's not got any news for months. A new service will typically be announced around 6 months beforehand & scheduled to start at the begining of the season. The New Routes 2008 was started in October 2007 & therefore is of interest. Most winter routes are going to start in Novemeber/December & we already know about most of them although reading the threads, it does seem a few A330s are currently able to fly new destinations (such as Durban - so could be on for December). However, the next time most routes will start will be around March 2009 so don't expect anything until September/October time.
Currently, I suspect Emirates will be exploring their own wishlist in detail & looking at aircraft movements. If someone can produce an aircraft delivery schedule then it is possible to guess numbers of new destinations.
Regarding ULH flights, I suspect now that frequencies will be increased. IAH & LAX immediately spring to mind. The A340-500s aren't going to be released until Feb 2009 at the earliest so any routes such as GIG, EZE, CCS etc aren't going to happen until then. B777-200LR fleet will be maxed out. ORD was on the cards for B777-300ER service, I don't know what happened to this.
I've said it before & I'll say it again. You cannot fly DXB-MIA nonstop without ULH aircraft. Check out this Boeing B777 range map. Remember the hot & high restrictions which resulted in MH's B777-200ER operated KUL-DXB-EWR service being heavily payload restricted. For reference, A350 range is fractionally more than B777-300ERs. A340-500 may be able to make it (just) without payload restrictions but I doubt the economics would be viable. A MIA service is more than likely to route through somewhere such as MAD or BCN when (or if for the latter) they get launched.
Many people expected SFO to start, and Emirates announced the route.
Don't know about the Arab/Indian community at PHX, but I can say that its more of a 'regional' gateway and in terms of priority, ORD, IAD, MIA all take precedence due to their status as premier gateways.
Despite EK's ventures in Europe, there are loads of routes that should start.
with ba dropping their manchester-new york flight from october, perhaps ek could route a US flight through man? surely that would make more sense than a US flight through newcastle.
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with ba dropping their manchester-new york flight from october, perhaps ek could route a US flight through man? surely that would make more sense than a US flight through newcastle.
Newcastle - USA: Nothing but occasional charter flights. Emirates to DXB only scheduled long haul flight
Manchester - USA: Multdaily widebodies
...Manchester - New York: 1x daily Delta B757-200 to JFK, 2x daily Continental B757-200 to EWR
Don't think that MAN is underserved seeing as there is an existing Pakistan International MAN-JFK (I think its daily), 2 Continentals and a Delta to Atlanta, and US Airways to Philadelphia.
On the other hand, there doesn't seem to be an existing service from NCL.
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Don't think that MAN is underserved seeing as there is an existing Pakistan International MAN-JFK (I think its daily), 2 Continentals and a Delta to Atlanta, and US Airways to Philadelphia.
On the other hand, there doesn't seem to be an existing service from NCL.
Manchester gets the following scheduled services:
Atlanta - Delta Air Lines - Daily B767-300ER
Chicago - bmi & American Airlines - Daily A330-200 & B737-300ER
Las Vegas - bmi - 3x weekly A330-200
Newark - Continental - 2x daily B757-200ERs
JFK - BA (cease 26th October), Pakistan International, Delta Air Lines - Daily B767-300ER, B777 & B767-300ER
Orlando - Virgin Atlantic - up to 3x weekly high density B747-400
Philedelphia - US Airways - Daily A330-300
Manchester gets the following scheduled services:
Atlanta - Delta Air Lines - Daily B767-300ER
Chicago - bmi & American Airlines - Daily A330-200 & B737-300ER
Las Vegas - bmi - 3x weekly A330-200
Newark - Continental - 2x daily B757-200ERs
JFK - BA (cease 26th October), Pakistan International, Delta Air Lines - Daily B767-300ER, B777 & B767-300ER
Orlando - Virgin Atlantic - up to 3x weekly high density B747-400
Philedelphia - US Airways - Daily A330-300
Newcastle gets zilch...
But is there really a demand for NCL-NYC flights ?
Remember that only a couple of years ago, AA announced in a blaze of publicity (press conferences in London and so on) that it would fly daily from NCL to JFK and everything was set to go ahead.
But at the last minute AA decided the route wouldn't be viable so it scrapped its plans much to the embarrassment of NCL airport management.
