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Originally Posted by directorguy_
I never considered the idea of EK operating between two such points (e.g. SYD-LAX). Is this really possible? For this to happen EK would have to have a HUGE fleet (the aircraft rotation would be like hell I guess) to fly DXB-LAX-SYD.
EK would be extremely lucky to have such a route without much competition. I wish EK would be able to get rights on LHR-JFK.
As for Medina, there's no rush but it would be nice, or if EK can increase frequencies to Saudi Arabia.
These destinations would also work:
CEB (Cebu)
ALP (Aleppo in Syria)
CGN (Cologne/Bonn, in Germany, and falls under the Stuttgart+Berlin dilemma and is equally lucrative).
How about a Central America/Caribbean destination? Would MIA be the 'gateway'?
ATL (It IS the busiest airport in the world and should be on the short-list).
BOS
I think that NRT is likely to start 2009 as its high-demand and an important destination for any airline.
Emirates have repeatedly said that they lack aircraft & plan to open up many markets. If they could make SYD-LAX (for example) profitable & source equipment (& get rights) then they would.
As far as LHR-JFK goes, I doubt they would want to use their lucrative LHR slots on JFK flights (which for optimum yield need to go in the peak periods of the day). The competition factor along with OpenSkies would kill yields. A more clever move would be to fly something like the rumoured DXB-NCL-JFK which would finally give the northeast city a transatlanitc link.
Miami as posted before, would need B777-200LR (only 10 on order) to fly non-stop. More likely somewhere like Madrid as a stepping point.
NRT already has A380s allocated to it according to a post in the 2008 thread, just a matter of slots.
Atlanta may be the busiest airport in the world, but that's primarily because it's the heart of Delta Air Lines which is one of the top 3 largest airlines in the world & it's their main domestic hub. Delta have 500+ aircraft & besides a modest hub at JFK, there operations a somewhat limited compared to other majors. In terms of O&D, it's not as urgent to serve as somewhere like IAD, SFO etc.
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Originally Posted by smashley
If remember when DAE was looking at buying AKL rumors were flying around in our press about how EK was looking to make AKL a mini-hub. I doubt there is much truth in this though as I don't see the point in EK making a mini-hub in a city of just over 1,000,000 people. .
The AKL minihub was an idea for transpacific flights wasn't it? Just a note on US-Australia OpenSkies. It applies to american & australian owned airlines only, therefore emirates or singapore won't have rights.
The AKL minihub was an idea for transpacific flights wasn't it? Just a note on US-Australia OpenSkies. It applies to american & australian owned airlines only, therefore emirates or singapore won't have rights.
Ah okay. I was under the impression they were trying to move towards letting in a few outsiders. But then the AU government would never let two 'state-owned' / 'state-subsidised' airlines in on QFs cash cow.
So what is the trans-Atlantic agreement? Is that just US-EU airlines? Or could EK do MAD-MIA no problems if they could get slots?
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Ah okay. I was under the impression they were trying to move towards letting in a few outsiders. But then the AU government would never let two 'state-owned' / 'state-subsidised' airlines in on QFs cash cow.
So what is the trans-Atlantic agreement? Is that just US-EU airlines? Or could EK do MAD-MIA no problems if they could get slots?
Yeah, EU-US OpenSkies allows for anyone. Emirates could quite easily fly DXB-MAD-MIA(with a Caracas extension if they were allowed...).
The limitations on the US-Oz agreement were definetly onvolved in Singapore Airlines, who actively wanted to fly transpacifics to Australia.
Would EK really want to use their aircraft to fly to JFK from Europe? NCL-JFK would have no direct competiton, but will the loads really justify such a service? Any idea on how HAM-JFK was doing? Seems to me that it could turn into a long-term commitment.
So, potentially EK begins flying
-Europe-North America to capitalise on the new EU-US Open Skies agreement with routes like NCL-JFK & MAD-MIA.
Would EK really want to use their aircraft to fly to JFK from Europe? NCL-JFK would have no direct competiton, but will the loads really justify such a service? Any idea on how HAM-JFK was doing? Seems to me that it could turn into a long-term commitment.
So, potentially EK begins flying
-Europe-North America to capitalise on the new EU-US Open Skies agreement with routes like NCL-JFK & MAD-MIA.
I wonder if there is enough traffic to support NCL-JFK ? Let's face it, by the summer there will be three daily non-stop flights from EDI to NYC (with CO + DL) and the Scottish capital is a fast train journey from Newcastle. There are also many indirect services from NCL via LHR, AMS, CDG etc.
Bear in mind that AA was about to start non-stop NCL-JFK flights a couple of years ago but abandoned the idea when, presumably, it realised there wasn't that much potential for traffic. And AA's service would have fed into its JFK hub whereas EK would have to rely on point-to-point traffic.
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Msp?
Why not MSP? It the entire surrounding area has a huge influx of East/North Africa and Middle East Immigrants as well Central Asia, think India as Minnesota has many high tech companies, who go home to visit relatives regularly. Also, Minnesota is on many Wealthy Arabs 1st stop for American Health Care/Shopping, as Minnesota is host to Mall of America as well as Mayo Clinic and University of Minnesota Hospital. All of the listed venues see lots of traffic from Wealthy Arabs and North Africans.
<MSP could also use some aviation bio-diversity>
It could possibly be a service on A345 or 77L with nonstop or onestop service. Where could possible stop-over points out of MSP towards DXB be? Also, if this went non-stop how long of a flight are we looking at? 14 to 17 hours?
Why not MSP? It the entire surrounding area has a huge influx of East/North Africa and Middle East Immigrants as well Central Asia, think India as Minnesota has many high tech companies, who go home to visit relatives regularly. Also, Minnesota is on many Wealthy Arabs 1st stop for American Health Care/Shopping, as Minnesota is host to Mall of America as well as Mayo Clinic and University of Minnesota Hospital. All of the listed venues see lots of traffic from Wealthy Arabs and North Africans.
<MSP could also use some aviation bio-diversity>
It could possibly be a service on A345 or 77L with nonstop or onestop service. Where could possible stop-over points out of MSP towards DXB be? Also, if this went non-stop how long of a flight are we looking at? 14 to 17 hours?
MSP would be an interesting addition. However, it is more of a 'regional' destination. Northwest Airlines operates a huge network through MSP so it can justify overseas services by feeding them into smaller planes to regional airports. Just recently, the airline has begun (or in a few days willl begin) services to Europe. No other airline international carrier serves MSP and yes, I suppose thereis a large expatriate community but that doesn't always justify a service. Remember that although EK is expanding into the US, it is doing something new for any Arab airline before, and does not have a deal with a US airline. EK is looking at ORD, IAD, MIA as the 'big' cities it wants to serve, and after that they could possibly consider ATL, SAN, BOS, DFW.
Currently, Emirates Airline cannot serve any two US city pairs domestically because 75% of it needs to be owned by a US company (or soemthing along those lines). So EK can't fly DXB-ATL-MSP.
MSP is well served by Northwest Airlines' deal with KLM. They inter-access each others networks and as a result, Northwest can justify triple-daily A330s flying MSP-AMS.
So overall, unless EK can partner itself with an airline at MSP, it cannot really compete. Even if it routes flights through Europe, it will be extremely competitive.
I think DUR would be fantastic to start in 2009. Huge Indian community and World Cup. Plus complete lack of international flights forcing everyone to route through JNB which is just a pain in the _____. I think if the service ran three days minimum a week it would do fine.
As Cape Town has just started and EK is increasing frequency at JNB, then its safe to assume that DUR is high on the list and could start by 2010.
Can anyone confirm that EK is the official carrier for the 2010 FIFA? I know it was in 2006, but has the 2010 been decided? If this is the case, then Durban is definately on by then.
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Yeah, EU-US OpenSkies allows for anyone.
That isn't correct - the specifics of the Treaty apply to EU (so called "Community air carriers") and US airlines only. See this news release from the European Commission
Of course, that doesn't mean that EK can't use it's fifth freedom rights to fly from DXB to MAD to MIA and pick up passengers on the way, but it's always been able to that with or without Open Skies (as indeed it did with DXB-HAM-JFK).
I guess EK could pursue and agree 7th freedom rights with individual EU states, like SQ has just done with UK - though I'm guessing the protectionists would have a field day
Icelandair has been flying between Minnie and Reykjavik for years.
i don't see EK flying to MSP this decade.
Fair enough, but Icelandair lacks the incoming traffic that could support EK's proposed DXB-MSP route. Apart from Icelandair, I don't see any other airline that serves MSP (apart from KLM's extensive code-sharing with Northwest, the largest operator at MSP).
Msp?
