ORD IAD and MIA make sense. I am not sure YUL, YVR or YYC would be profitable. Perhaps YUL but they already go to YYZ.
I think this is sound the logic choice for potential to begin new routes from DXB-ORD in 2009. I'm sure this is best idea where EK will have those 3 choice newest USA routes from DXB-MIA/ORD/SEA.
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Part of the article:
Gina Teel, Calgary Herald
Published: Wednesday, October 22, 2008
In a perfect world, Emirates Airline would be able to offer a daily flight to Calgary in about six months' time.
But with little success thus far in convincing Transport Canada to expand the Dubai-based airline's presence in Canada beyond the three flights per week currently permitted -- which all go to Toronto -- Emirates instead took its business case to a blue-chip crowd at the Calgary Chamber of Commerce.
YYC (Calgary) would be within A340 range, the 77L and possibly 777-300ERs. Although it sounds like a far fetched idea, I believe that EK would actually do it. No Asian carrier serves YYC so EK would be able to create a market for themselves. Perhaps routed via an Asian city?
I've posted this link about a dozen times in this thread... All B777 Extended Range variants (200ER, 200LR and 300ER) could fly non-stop. Both A340 variants could also reach Calgary, and depending on the exact performance so could the A330s
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Any news on a Chicago - Dubai non stop? It doesn't make sense that Emirates doesnt have a non stop to Chicago.
Makes perfect sense. Lack of aircraft
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When they get around to more NA routes is another question though...
When they get more aircraft.
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ORD IAD and MIA make sense. I am not sure YUL, YVR or YYC would be profitable. Perhaps YUL but they already go to YYZ.
Given the populations in those regions with Gulf/Indian subcontinental origins, I'm inclined to disagree.
Montreal on it's own would work well, especially if routed through anywhere in France (que flights to Lyon/Marseille/Orly etc...)
I understand that A340s and extended range 777s can pull of something as far as YYC but I was referring to the possibility of them stopping somewhere. Can EK really fill an aircraft at least 3x a week to something like YYC?
I expect YUL to be filled better and for YYZ to go daily.
Regarding AMS, well EK lacks a prescence in the Benelux and in several primary European hubs. AMS would be a good A332/777 destination. On the other hand, AMS is big because of KLM which has a far-flung network of operations and O&D isn't too strong.
But EK will be able to offer onward connections and get a slice of the market so far dominated by KLM's 14x weekly 777s.
, and depending on the exact performance so could the A330s
Not a chance would the A332's be able to make DXB-YYC non-stop. The direct route is 7,134 statute miles, well outside the range of the A332, at least with anything close to a meaningful payload. And that's the direct route, which in reality the a/c wouldn't fly as it would have to meet ETOPS restrictions, and the direct route takes it overhead the North Pole and through Russian airspace (where aircraft usually have to stick to pretty rigid flight paths). Oh, and there's the small matter of headwinds, the hot temperatures in DXB which reduce performance AND the high(ish) altitude of Calgary which also reduces aircraft performance.
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Comments from Richard Vaughan (Emirates head of Commercial Operations in Asia/Australia) in the Australian press seem to confirm that Australia plans for 2009/10 appear on track so far. As a reminder, these include the upgrade of EK406/407 to an A380-800 around 3Q/4Q09 from A340-500 as well as the addition of a 3rd daily SYD service in 4Q09.
Any news of rumoured new flights to CPH, BCN, EZE, IEV, AMS, etc. ?
By the way, I spoke to the airport manager of CPT and he said that EK are very pleased with CPT performance and he said that he heard nothing about EK withdrawing from CPT, if anything they are looking to increase frequencies!
CPH-You may know that they were planning to start services in 2005 but for political conditions the route was cancelled before it even started (the Prophet's cartoons controversy). Very likely to be a near-future A332 destination
BCN-Also a likely candidate for EK-I'd read somewhere that Iberia was planning a Dubai route but nothing announced thus far. Don't know about UAE-Spain bilaterals
EZE-This was discussed in another thread, a search will bring this up
Regarding EK's alleged withdrawal plans from CPT-well not many people took Jetboy seriously here.
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Not a chance would the A332's be able to make DXB-YYC non-stop. The direct route is 7,134 statute miles, well outside the range of the A332, at least with anything close to a meaningful payload. And that's the direct route, which in reality the a/c wouldn't fly as it would have to meet ETOPS restrictions, and the direct route takes it overhead the North Pole and through Russian airspace (where aircraft usually have to stick to pretty rigid flight paths). Oh, and there's the small matter of headwinds, the hot temperatures in DXB which reduce performance AND the high(ish) altitude of Calgary which also reduces aircraft performance.
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I understand that A340s and extended range 777s can pull of something as far as YYC but I was referring to the possibility of them stopping somewhere. Can EK really fill an aircraft at least 3x a week to something like YYC?
I expect YUL to be filled better and for YYZ to go daily.
Regarding AMS, well EK lacks a prescence in the Benelux and in several primary European hubs. AMS would be a good A332/777 destination. On the other hand, AMS is big because of KLM which has a far-flung network of operations and O&D isn't too strong.
But EK will be able to offer onward connections and get a slice of the market so far dominated by KLM's 14x weekly 777s.
For an A330-200, DXB-YYC is indeed a stretch but still within it's still air range of 12,500km. A332s fly pretty long sectors such as LAX-AKL, SYD-BOM, ORY-RUN, NRT-CDG etc. ETOPS restrictions are an issue but similar flight paths are already in place, such as AA158/159 (763) and both EKs Calafornia flights. Tailwinds across the atlantic would make a flight from Calgary possible. The runway is the longest in Canada, and whilst it is 1km high but with the exception of June-August it doesn't get hotter than 17 degrees...that said, I hope they don't and never do put an A330 on the route given it's inferior interiors.
If Emirates say they want to fly daily to Calgary, I bet they're thinking they can fill it Of course Calgary isn't the only market in Canada that's of value to Emirates. If Canada budges on it's protectionism policy, YYZ daily seems likely first.
Emirates is indeed absent in the Benelux region as well as Scandanavia. Amsterdam is a very popular European city, as well as a strong cargo hub (netherlands in general...port of rotterdam, hook of holland etc.). Emirates could make a meal out of the cargo on this route. I'm not sure what makes you think AMS has no O&D. Yes, KLM does have a hub there...
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Comments from Richard Vaughan (Emirates head of Commercial Operations in Asia/Australia) in the Australian press seem to confirm that Australia plans for 2009/10 appear on track so far. As a reminder, these include the upgrade of EK406/407 to an A380-800 around 3Q/4Q09 from A340-500 as well as the addition of a 3rd daily SYD service in 4Q09
Any ideas on the timing of the 3rd daily SYD flight and if it's direct? Currently, the non-stops all depart mid-morning and a 2nd one-stop wave leaves with the Far East traffic at around 2am. Both coincide with the European flights.
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BCN-Also a likely candidate for EK-I'd read somewhere that Iberia was planning a Dubai route but nothing announced thus far. Don't know about UAE-Spain bilaterals
Iberia was assesing the competition out of Madrid, and if its successful, they want to add a flight out of Madrid. IB have long since left long-haul ex-BCN.
Meanwhile, she added, Emirates’ Dubai-Durban service was “definitely back on the cards for 2009” after its December 1, 2008 launch was deferred because of lack of equipment and schedule changes linked to the late delivery of Emirates’ new A380 aircraft on the Los Angeles and san Francisco routes.
when will dxb-dur be announced for 2009? I'll be one of the early bkkings!
Summary:
1. Cape Town CPT will get the axe. Completely
that's been refuted so far..
2. A 3rd London destination (STN or LTN) will be added by 2009
when?
3. A 2nd daily A345 to GRU
4. Starting DPS (Denpasar Bali) originating from SIN
when? 1Q ,2Q, 3Q any idea?
5. A 2nd daily LOS (for onward connections to/from HKG and CAN)
6. Possibly a 2nd daily ICN
7. Refitting the A343 fleet
The Indian government had requested for the inclusion of a provision for “change of gauge” (change the type of aircraft) in the territory of UAE (Dubai) and India, for both sides in the Air Services Agreement. The UAE delegation has agreed to revert through correspondence after internal consultations. The UAE delegation’s request for grant of six additional points of call in India-Amritsar, Mangalore, Pune, Tiruchirapalli, Coimbatore and Goa will also be considered by the Indian side and intimated to the UAE Government through correspondence.
emirates 777 what's the update on pune, amritsar, tiruchirapalli, mangalore?
