Seriously guys-FlyerTalk has always been a 'clean' Internet forum for years-we should collectively strive to maintain this.
Um no new destinations so far but to change the subject ...Singapore Airlines will have something like 20 weekly flights to DXB (it increased DXB-IST and will start DXB-RUH). Mind you, Emirates already has a substantial network developed beyond SIN with services to DXB, BNE, AKL, CGK and CMB (many airlines have done so it's a wonder SQ has come so far).
In comparison to Etihad, which is launching A319/A320s to Moscow, A319s to Almaty, daily A346s to MEL and I think a 4x weekly A332s Abu Dhabi-Abuja-Lagos (or Abu Dhabi-Abuja and Abu Dhabi-Lagos I'm not sure). Emirates serves MOW, MEL, LOS (China Southern flies a 3x weekly DXB-LOS A332) but lacks a Central Asian/CIS airport (it did serve Baku once) and it can always develop more into Africa using its A332s once they free up. Any ideas?
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Reading the last couple of pages of threads…You guys have some route passion!
Im Australian, and I think SA is one of the most amazing countries…been there many a time and fell 100% safe!
Anyway….
You guys doubt my Cape Town statement ay?
Well after just coming back from leave and reading all the memos I am even more sure it will cease SOON! I have no idea the date but its on the books…The reason I gave you last month might seem far off but that’s what I was told the reason is…But not 100% reason why. I know its mega disappointing from this end..1.5 million in advertising in GCC alone! Who knows…maybe it will get up and running again for WC…dunno.
With London guys…I am 100% sure and new London destination will commence 2009. The airport..ummmm…im hearing two different things…and my mate read two draft contracts…so who knows…another airport though! Emirates are in final stages of purchasing a well know land mark in London and this will be a publicity stunt of the new route.
Someone said about the 330’s being refurnished…. Wont be happening..340-300 are currently being refitted..One I have seen with my own eyes is very nice…But still has no ICE and will not get the great system…Once the 340-300 refitting program is completed MAYBE the 332 will get down…Maybe
GRU! Next year…345…Is happening…..Its even on the EK staff portal.
A 2nd daily Lagos is also on the cards…A early AM departure connecting from HKG and CAN….40% of HKG and 60% of CAN pax either go to ACC or LOS.
And purely a Rumor…but leaning in the truth direction A second daily ICN..
What we will start to see is increasing frequncies rather than a whole lot more destinations.
SIN CGK has stopped now…so expected to see a SIN DPS…next year….SIN DPS…was number 6 in the worlds most expensive short hall international routes.
Summary:
1. Cape Town CPT will get the axe. Completely
2. A 3rd London destination (STN or LTN) will be added by 2009
3. A 2nd daily A345 to GRU
4. Starting DPS (Denpasar Bali) originating from SIN
5. A 2nd daily LOS (for onward connections to/from HKG and CAN)
6. Possibly a 2nd daily ICN
7. Refitting the A343 fleet
Well after just coming back from leave and reading all the memos I am even more sure it will cease SOON! I have no idea the date but its on the books…The reason I gave you last month might seem far off but that’s what I was told the reason is…
Whether you were given that reason or not, it's utter nonsense. It might not be making money (no idea personally), but to say it's because there are no suitable landing alternatives is nonsense, as there are lots of other airlines flying into CPT, from much further afield than DXB and therefore carrying this extra fuel much further, and they make it work.
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With London guys…I am 100% sure and new London destination will commence 2009. The airport..ummmm…im hearing two different things…and my mate read two draft contracts…so who knows…another airport though! Emirates are in final stages of purchasing a well know land mark in London and this will be a publicity stunt of the new route.
Two opinions here. The landmark is the London Eye, buying the sponsorship off BA. OR, Canary Wharf. I doubt it will be something with heritage such as Tower Bridge or Nelson's Column. With the Canary Wharf landmark in mind, a real leftfield idea is a LCY-DXB all-business class flight on a wet lease, pipping BA which are going to start LCY-JFK with a refuel in Shannon on the westbound leg. As it's a similar distance the LCY-DXB will need to refuel also. Hmmm. I'm not convinced this will happen, but it's something to think about.
With the Canary Wharf landmark in mind, a real leftfield idea is a LCY-DXB all-business class flight on a wet lease, pipping BA which are going to start LCY-JFK with a refuel in Shannon on the westbound leg. As it's a similar distance the LCY-DXB will need to refuel also. Hmmm. I'm not convinced this will happen, but it's something to think about.
I doubt Emirates would launch an all-business class service. They pride themselves on fleet commonality and high utility-a single aircraft configured all-business class would spend 8 hours on the tarmac doing nothing (unless more routes are launched and that's an entirely different story). If it's a wet lease then that's a little different but seems out of character for EK. For LCY to work, it's going to be a very, very restricted A332
regarding cape town route. i find it hard to belive that they are going to scrap it, as the loads have been quite high considering its off peak season in cape town, loads should rise dramatically during november december as its high season in cape town, and emirates have been substituting the 772 with the 77w regularly to keep up with demand???
regarding cape town route. i find it hard to belive that they are going to scrap it, as the loads have been quite high considering its off peak season in cape town, loads should rise dramatically during november december as its high season in cape town, and emirates have been substituting the 772 with the 77w regularly to keep up with demand???
Maybe the staff are scared of being murdered.... Only joking!!!
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Two opinions here. The landmark is the London Eye, buying the sponsorship off BA. OR, Canary Wharf. I doubt it will be something with heritage such as Tower Bridge or Nelson's Column. With the Canary Wharf landmark in mind, a real leftfield idea is a LCY-DXB all-business class flight on a wet lease, pipping BA which are going to start LCY-JFK with a refuel in Shannon on the westbound leg. As it's a similar distance the LCY-DXB will need to refuel also. Hmmm. I'm not convinced this will happen, but it's something to think about.
Come on..
Did you seriously, honestly, truthfully think for a second that Nelson's Column or Tower Bridge would be for sale to a sponsor???? What would you expect? A huge flourescent Emirates logo somehow hanging over them?
Maybe the London Eye thing is a goer, but only in the same way that BA did theirs i.e they sponsored the experience. Again, they wouldn't be allowed to hang a huge Emirates sign anywhere on the actual wheel.
Are you sure this sponsorship isn't just referring to the new A380 model at the LHR roundabout?
And as others have said you need to do your homework re: LCY, the largest plane certified to land and take off here is the dinky A318 (which BA are using for the JFK service)
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Guys been on Leave so back in good old Dubai now.
Reading the last couple of pages of threads…You guys have some route passion!
Im Australian, and I think SA is one of the most amazing countries…been there many a time and fell 100% safe!
Anyway….
You guys doubt my Cape Town statement ay?
Well after just coming back from leave and reading all the memos I am even more sure it will cease SOON! I have no idea the date but its on the books…The reason I gave you last month might seem far off but that’s what I was told the reason is…But not 100% reason why. I know its mega disappointing from this end..1.5 million in advertising in GCC alone! Who knows…maybe it will get up and running again for WC…dunno.
With London guys…I am 100% sure and new London destination will commence 2009. The airport..ummmm…im hearing two different things…and my mate read two draft contracts…so who knows…another airport though! Emirates are in final stages of purchasing a well know land mark in London and this will be a publicity stunt of the new route.
Someone said about the 330’s being refurnished…. Wont be happening..340-300 are currently being refitted..One I have seen with my own eyes is very nice…But still has no ICE and will not get the great system…Once the 340-300 refitting program is completed MAYBE the 332 will get down…Maybe
GRU! Next year…345…Is happening…..Its even on the EK staff portal.
A 2nd daily Lagos is also on the cards…A early AM departure connecting from HKG and CAN….40% of HKG and 60% of CAN pax either go to ACC or LOS.
And purely a Rumor…but leaning in the truth direction A second daily ICN..
What we will start to see is increasing frequncies rather than a whole lot more destinations.
SIN CGK has stopped now…so expected to see a SIN DPS…next year….SIN DPS…was number 6 in the worlds most expensive short hall international routes.
Lunch break over...gotta run
Anyone else from EK to say anything about Cape Town? Even if they drop it, I doubt it would be permenantly. Emirates are expanding at 20-25% a year? Cape Towns a major city & Emirates are in ample position to serve it's market to Asia, Europe & perhaps America. I don't buy the fuel reason, since there are many other destinations with similar problems (Indian Ocean, Perth ...) but perhaps there's another more profitable route which can be served?
From London, Stansted makes far more sense. It's been actively seeking long haul services for years to complement the extensive low-cost programme, with limited short/medium term success. Stansted Express is similar in time to the HEX/Gatwick Express into central London. It's already a major cargo hub for the UK up there with EMA & LHR, and importantly, has a 10,000ft runway which is ample for any widebody to Dubai. It is also on opposite sides to London from both LGW & LHR.
Aren't the A340-300s on 9 year leases from Boeing? How many years have they left (2013 or something to coincide with A350XWB I remember from a report but may be wrong...)? A330-200s are getting replaced by -300s anyway. Might we see a new regional config with them?
For LCY to work, it's going to be a very, very restricted A332
Not a chance will an A332 ever be able to land at LCY.
I'm not saying I think it's likely EK will fly LCY-DXB with an all business set up under a wet lease. But I think it's not beyond the realms of possibility. It wouldn't cost a lot to test the water.
Just to make it clear, I know full well that an A332 can't land at LCY. I must have been thinking of LTN (the 2160m runway there might support an A332 I'm not too sure). I suppose STN is the way to go.
Don't know why EK needs more brand awareness in the UK. I see a few people everyday on average wearing Fly Emirates t-shirts. More brand awareness would cost a lot, lot more-and the closest competitors EY, GF, QR don't offer anything near the capacity EK does and will do in the near future.
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Good post by jakesterUK
This is your official warning to stay on topic... from this point forward 7 day time outs will be given if I see postings other than "emirates new routes for 2009"
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I have to say that this whole thread has gone way off topic. It's about new routes for Emirates.
There are plenty of places that I've been life that I have no wish to go back to. And living in London, there are times when I don't wish to be here either!
Can everyone just please calm down and carry on with the discussion about new routes?
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Excited to see CPH back on the EK expansion list! But will it happen in 2009 - so any updated news regarding CPH from our inside Emirates guys?
As we all know the announced EK service to CPH was cancelled in 2006. Since then SAS has entered the market with success (3x weekly from CPH during the winter months) and in my opinion there is definitely also a market for EK. I cross my fingers that we very soon will se EK online at CPH.
Only joking!!!
