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LTN is a horrible airport to get to from London, but if you live in the area, it would be great.
With Chauffeur drive it's 60 miles from where I live, and I shouldn't imagine a particularly fun journey up the M1. The transport links from central London are not that good (IMO) having taken advantage of the fares in the dying months of SilverJet.
If Emirates used the private terminal, however, things could be different.
The one problem I have with this whole idea, is not (funnily enough) Luton, it's the fact that they would be using one of their 330's. I would seek to avoid this aircraft and would not fly on EK for the sole reason that they are using a 330. Nothing against the aircraft itself, just its contents. The plane needs refurbishing if they are to form a long-term part of EK's future. I for one, will not be flying with them if it's one of their scheduled craft on a route I wish to travel (I can't do anything about it if there's an aircraft change!).
LTN is a horrible airport to get to from London, but if you live in the area, it would be great.
With Chauffeur drive it's 60 miles from where I live, and I shouldn't imagine a particularly fun journey up the M1. The transport links from central London are not that good (IMO) having taken advantage of the fares in the dying months of SilverJet.
If Emirates used the private terminal, however, things could be different.
The one problem I have with this whole idea, is not (funnily enough) Luton, it's the fact that they would be using one of their 330's. I would seek to avoid this aircraft and would not fly on EK for the sole reason that they are using a 330. Nothing against the aircraft itself, just its contents. The plane needs refurbishing if they are to form a long-term part of EK's future. I for one, will not be flying with them if it's one of their scheduled craft on a route I wish to travel (I can't do anything about it if there's an aircraft change!).
No need for EK to focus too much on refurbushing A332 fleet since A333s and A350s will soon be joining the fleet. More likely the A332s will eventually be worked on really short-haul/feeder routes before being sold off.
No need for EK to focus too much on refurbushing A332 fleet since A333s and A350s will soon be joining the fleet. More likely the A332s will eventually be worked on really short-haul/feeder routes before being sold off.
I dont think so that will be the case. EK will most likely transfer over its A 332's to DAE Leasing in the same manner that QR will be doing so with its entire fleet of A 346s effective Winter 2009-10 i.e. Oryx Leasing
Since Qatar and Japan signed a new bilateral accord which allowed access to NRT from 2010 onwards, has something been negiotiated with UAE as well?
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The 777W wont be going on PERTH i can assure you on that. We can not even fill 2 345's on this route.
Jetboy, a question if I may ask...then why does EK want to dump capacity and increase its losses by flying double daily on this route? Why doesnt it reduce to daily or 10 weekly max?
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Will read all the above tomorrow and answer your comments guys...
Jetboy, I have been eagerly waiting for you to respond to my earlier questions which you said that you were going to answer 2 days ago. Kindly respond
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There's plenty of capacity out of LGW now too, with the demise of XL, nearly all the North Terminal American carriers gone, Zoom gone. I would say that Gatwick has more chance of expansion, particularly with the big lounge they've invested in.
Emirates have already penetrated this area. EK15/16 regularly goes out full & is a prime candidate for an A380. Not sure about the others. EK1/2 which is a similarly timed service to Heathrow is already getting A380s daily from December connecting with pretty much everything going east in Dubai.
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True, but if EK wanted to get their hands on more they could. Everybody has a price.
Yes, but at $200 million a pop for prime time slots (ala Continental) surely it would be better to develop other London airports, especially since a) Other London airports lack long haul services & b) All 5 waves of traffic through Heathrow connect to a bank of traffic in Dubai so theoretically any flights of use would be shadowing another & more capacity will be added by A380s to LHR regardless.
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The one problem I have with this whole idea, is not (funnily enough) Luton, it's the fact that they would be using one of their 330's. I would seek to avoid this aircraft and would not fly on EK for the sole reason that they are using a 330. Nothing against the aircraft itself, just its contents. The plane needs refurbishing if they are to form a long-term part of EK's future. I for one, will not be flying with them if it's one of their scheduled craft on a route I wish to travel (I can't do anything about it if there's an aircraft change!).
Given the standards of Emirates products, espcially out of Heathrow with the latest B777/A380 products flying, the A330s could be somewhat of a disappointment. That said, A330s go up to double daily to LGW ...
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Jetboy, a question if I may ask...then why does EK want to dump capacity and increase its losses by flying double daily on this route? Why doesnt it reduce to daily or 10 weekly max?
...especially considering the unsocialable timings of the 2nd Perth flight (EK424/425). I guess the only reason is to allow connections with all the rest of the Oz flights & to return early enough to hit the afternoon european banks. Still, Oz to Europe in a day...
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yes that is expected to get the A 345 in 2009 and will be most likely marketed as a same plane aircraft operating the NGO-DXB-GRU sector as Jetboy mentioned in his previous postings. This will be the 2nd daily DXB-GRU flight.
The 2nd GRU cannot be a same plane service with NGO.
The existing service to EK261/262 is operated by a B777-200LR. Even once NGO upgrades to an A340-500, you would need to change EK261/262 to an A340-500 and to operate this service would require 2x A345 aircraft. Only then would you have same plane service. I haven't heard anything to suggest EK261/262 is changing aircraft type.
A 2nd GRU service would likely have timings of either a 0200/0300 departure or 1500 departure ex-DXB and could operate with an A340-500 but its timings wouldnt enable to connect to NGO. Unless of course a 2nd NGO is planned. The current bilateral with Japan is already maxed out and additional services would require a change.
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Similar thread on A.net tallies with talk on here(reply 4)
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***Please note that what is mentioned below is being seriously planned only and nothing is officially confirmed except for the PERTH capacity increase. Though it is 90% guaranteed that GRU will get the double daily frequency.
GRU - to be increased to double daily nonstop flights i.e. daily B 772LR + daily A 345. The new daily flight using an A 345 is expected to be a same plane service originating from NGO-Nagoya, Japan. This is because a majority of EK's passenger on board the GRU-DXB-GRU flights are bound for China and Japan.
LTN - new daily flights to London Luton are expected to be launched using a 2 class A 332.
CPH - new daily flights expected to be launched using a 3 class A 332.
PER - capacity confirmed to be increased from February 1st 2009 to daily B 773ER + daily A 345.
BKK - 4th daily nonstop flight using a 2 class A 332 to be launched.
CGP - new flights to Chittagong, Bangladesh are expected to be launched.
CAI - an additional daily flight is planned to commence from Summer 2009.
BHX - capacity to be increased to daily B 773ER + daily B 772ER.
NGO - in-flight product to be upgraded from daily A 343 to daily A 345.
2nd daily A340-500 to GRU could become GRU flight as well, although flight times would work out similar to current service to work connections. NGO to A345 works with rumoured schedule.
Luton to be a 2 class A330-200 instead of 3 class perhaps interesting...
2nd daily A340-500 to GRU could become GRU flight as well, although flight times would work out similar to current service to work connections. NGO to A345 works with rumoured schedule.
Luton to be a 2 class A330-200 instead of 3 class perhaps interesting...
Great to hear that CPH will finally come online. Interested to see what the additional daily EK will be. Currently its around 10x weekly or so with a mixture of A332, B773s and B77Ws. Perhaps additional capacity will mean that prices go down. Highly competitive route.
I still don't know how LTN can be considered. It would be a loss-making route since payload would be restricted and the aircraft would be better off operating a full payload to another destination. Unless of course there's an intermediary (sp) stop somewhere in Europe (unlikely). But then again, it would be a very O&D market with varying load factors.
I smell something strong!!! CPT doubled-up frequency earlier this year. DUR is not only looking at pax numbers but a fair amount of freight that now uses JNB and with JNB at altitude.....
I will publicly eat my hat if EK pulls out of CPT but let us wait for the "press announcment" which, as we know EK does not do well. Information sort of slips out.
LTN!!!! I think not. The market is predomantly charter and Y pax's not J or F Silverjet tried with the all J class to the US it did not work. Whta traffic will LTN get? If another London airport is needed then possibly STN but we where told earlier LCY, again, strong smell around here...........
[quote=nipper64;10418624]I smell something strong!!! CPT doubled-up frequency earlier this year. DUR is not only looking at pax numbers but a fair amount of freight that now uses JNB and with JNB at altitude.....
I will publicly eat my hat if EK pulls out of CPT but let us wait for the "press announcment" which, as we know EK does not do well. Information sort of slips out.
