Which EK routes have ICE / New F/J seats

[sadiqhassan]

News

Emirates has now added a similar feature on its website.


New Guide: Completely Revamed May 2007

Emirates' fleet consists of the following planes:

Airbus A340-500
Airbus A340-300
Airbus A330-200

Boeing 777-200/ER
Boeing 777-300/ER
Boeing 777-300/ER ULR



How to tell if your aircraft will have ICE


First you need to know your aircaft type. This can be done quite easily. Simply visit the Emirates timetables pages located on their website, or click here enter your flight route and date and the aircraft type should show up.

Then...

i) All A340-500 (345) Boeing 777-300ER (77W) & Boeing 777-200 (772) planes have the ICE in flight entertainment system.

ii) If you are on a Boeing 777-300 (773) make a dummy (ficitious) reservation in First (for a 3 class plane) and Business (for a 2 class plane) on Emirates.com You will then be shown the seat map of your flight. If First has 2 rows, or Business Class has 6 rows, then your plane has ICE.

iii) No A310, A330 or A340-300 aircraft are currently fitted with ICE.

iv) B777-300 planes are currently being refitted with ICE, but the process will likely take some time.

***Remember - Aircraft changes very frequently happen, so this method does not guarantee that your plane will have ICE***

How to tell what type of First / Business Class seat your plane has

First Class

Type "A" Oldest First Class. Lie-flat "cradle" type seats
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0522582/M/

offered on:
B777-300 (old)
A330-200
A340-300

Type "B" New, flat-bed First Class. 70"+ seat pitch with minibar (2nd best choice)
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5852388

offered on:
B777-200
B777-300ER (most)
B777-300 (new only / needs to be verified)

Type "C" Mini suites, with private cabin and sliding doors (best choice)
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1175248/M/

offered on:
B777-300ER (some only)
A340-500
B777-200LR (to be delivered and flown to GRU and IAH)

Business Class

Type "A" Oldest Business Class. 46" pitch, cradle seats
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=140490

offered on:
B777-300 (old)

Type "B" Old Business Class with increased pitch of 54-60" Note: Recline has been increase and is now substantialhttp://www.airliners.net/open.file/0773224/M/

offered on:
A340-300
A330-200

Type "C" New cradle seats with good recline and pitch 60" (2nd best choice)
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5857322

offered on:
B777-200
B777-300ER (most)

Type "D" cocoon style pod seats with massage. 55"+ pitch (3rd best choice)
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1110734/M/

offered on:
A340-500

Type "E" New lie-flat seats with 72" pitch (best choice)
http://www.emirates.com/Images/busin...m12-207496.jpg
http://www.emirates.com/Images/busin...m12-207487.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1250237/L/ Updated!

offered on:
B777-300ER (some only)
B777-300 (new)
B777-200LR

How to tell if your B777-300ER plane will have lie-flat seats

For routes that frequently receive the lie-flat J seats (thanks to Emirates777!)
Click Here

To confirm whether your flight has the new lie-flat J seats (this only works for 3-class (low density) planes):

You need access to the KVS tool

i) Find your flight via any method (Sabre / Apollo are best)
ii) Bring up the economy class seatmap for your flight via the Worldspan method

Planes without the lie-flat J class will show:

      
*FACILITY SEATING/NO SEAT SELECTION/NO FAMILY SEATING           
NON SMOKING ZONE        *FOR EXPLANATION OF SYMBOLS SEE BOTTOM* 
     A   B   C  AISLE  D   E   F   G  AISLE  H   J   K          
     A*  F*  A*   16   A*  F*  A*  A*   16   A*  F*  A*         
//   A*  A*  A*   17   A*  A*  A*  $    17   $   A*  $    //    
//   $   A*  A*   18   $   $   $   $    18   $   A*  A*   //    
//   $   $   $    19   A*  A*  A*  A*   19   F*  A*  A*   //    
//   A*  A*  F*   20   F*  A*  A*  F*   20   F*  A*  A*   //    
//   A*  A*  F*   21   $   $   A*  F*   21   F*  A*  A*   //    
//   A*  A*  A*   24   F*  A*  A*  F*   24   A*  A*  A*   //    
//   $   $   $    25   $   $   A*  A*   25   A*  A*  A*   //    
//   A*  A*  A*   26   A*  A*  A*  A*   26   A*  A*  A*   //    
//   A*  A*  A*   27   A*  A*  A*  A*   27   A*  A*  A*   //

Planes with the lie-flat J class will show:

           
*FACILITY SEATING/NO SEAT SELECTION/NO FAMILY SEATING           
NON SMOKING ZONE        *FOR EXPLANATION OF SYMBOLS SEE BOTTOM* 
     A   B   C  AISLE  D   E   F   G  AISLE  H   J   K          
//   $   $   $    17   A*  $   A*  A*   17   A*  $   $    //    
//   $   A*  F*   18   $   $   $   $    18   F*  A*  $    //    
//   $   $   F*   19   F*  A*  A*  F*   19   F*  A*  $    //    
//   A*  A*  F*   20   F*  A*  A*  F*   20   F*  A*  A*   //    
//   A*  A*  F*   21   F*  A*  A*  F*   21   F*  A*  A*   //    
//                23   F*  A*  A*  F*   23                //    
EX   X   X   X    24   F*  A*  A*  F*   24   X   X   X    EX    
//   $   $   $    25   F*  A*  A*  F*   25   $   A*  A*   //    
//   $   $   $    26   F*  A*  A*  F*   26   $   A*  A*   //    
//   A*  A*  A*   27   F*  A*  A*  F*   27   A*  A*  A*   //

The difference is that lie-flat J class planes have a row 23 in economy class, whereas non lie-flat planes do not.

If anyone has any corrections to make, please do so via PM or on this thread. Thanks!

Hope this helps

Happy flying!

[DYKWIA]

An addition to the B777-300ER :-

DXB-MAN EK17
MAN-DXB EK18

Cheers,
Rick

[sadiqhassan]

Does my 777-300ER have lie-flat seats / mini-suites?
(thanks to Emirates777 once again!)

Emirates aircraft type by route for scheduled operations 1-30 June 2007.
Last updated: 23 June 2007

Disclaimer: This list is compiled based on observations and on info from various sources: It is not exhaustive and changes will and can occur at short notice due based on operational requirements.

B777-300ER – All aircraft are equipped with the ICE in-flight entertainment system.

3 Class/Low Density: Mini suites F, Lie-Flat J, New Weber Y
1 Aircraft: A6-ECA

The aircraft was delivered to Dubai on 22 June. No precise info is available on its planned flights. However likelihood is the aircraft will be used on routes currently operated by the category listed below and could also operate other B77W low density routes.

3 Class/Low Density: Sky Cruiser F, Lie-Flat J, New Weber Y
5 Aircraft: A6-EBQ, A6-EBR, A6-EBU, A6-EBW, A6-EBY

Regularly scheduled
EK001/002 – DXB-LHR: Daily ex-Tue
EK203/204 – DXB-JFK: Daily
EK201/202 – DXB-JFK: Daily
EK763/764 – DXB-JNB: Daily

Occasionally scheduled
EK003/004 – DXB-LHR (often on a Tuesday – depending on completion of scheduled maintenance)
EK015/016 – DXB-LGW
EK073/074 – DXB-CDG
EK105/106 – DXB-ATH
EK923/924 – DXB-CAI


3 Class/Low Density: Sky Cruiser F, Cradle J, Regular Y
10 Aircraft: A6-EBB, A6-EBC, A6-EBE, A6-EBG, A6-EBI, A6-EBJ, A6-EBK, A6-EBM, A6-EBN, A6-EBO

Regularly scheduled
EK001/002 – DXB-LHR: Tue only
EK003/004 – DXB-LHR: Daily
EK015/016 – DXB-LGW: Daily
EK073/074 – DXB-CDG: Daily
EK105/106 – DXB-ATH: Daily ex-Tue, Sun
EK302/303 – DXB-PVG: Daily
EK418/419 – DXB-BKK-SYD-AKL: Daily
EK420/421 – DXB-PER: Daily
EK761/762 – DXB-JNB: Daily
EK783/784 – DXB-LOS: Daily

Occasionally scheduled
EK001/002 – DXB-LHR
EK005/006 – DXB-LHR
EK029/030 – DXB-LHR
EK045/046 – DXB-FRA
EK332/333 – DXB-MNL
EK380/381 – DXB-HKG
EK424/425 – DXB-PER
EK701/702 – DXB-MRU
EK763/764 – DXB-JNB
EK857/858 – DXB-KWI
EK923/924 – DXB-CAI

2-Class/High Density: Lie-flat J, New Weber Y
5 Aircraft: A6-EBS, A6-EBT, A6-EBV, A6-EBX, A6-EBZ

Regularly scheduled
EK017/018 – DXB-MAN: Daily
EK121/122 – DXB-IST: Mon only
EK334/335 – DXB-MNL: Daily ex-Mon
EK342/343 – DXB-KUL: Mon, Thu, Fri only
EK344 – DXB-CGK-SIN: Thu, Sat only
EK346/347 – DXB-KUL-CGK: Mon, Wed, Sat only
EK348/349 – DXB-CMB-SIN-CGK: Fri only
EK352/353 – DXB-SIN/KUL: Tue, Wed, Sun only
EK372/373 – DXB-BKK: Thu, Sat only
EK386/387 – DXB-BKK-HKG: Tue, Fri, Sun only
EK512/513 – DXB-DEL: Sun only
EK923/924 – DXB-CAI: Mon only

Occasionally scheduled
EK005/006 – DXB-LHR
EK025/026 – DXB-GLA
EK029/030 – DXB-LHR
EK045/046 – DXB-FRA
EK073/074 – DXB-CDG
EK105/106 – DXB-ATH
EK121/122 – DXB-IST
EK384/385 – DXB-BKK-HKG
EK765/766 – DXB-JNB
EK817/818 – DXB-RUH
EK857/858 – DXB-KWI

2-Class/High Density: Cradle J, Regular Y
6 Aircraft: A6-EBA, A6-EBD, A6-EBF, A6-EBH, A6-EBL, A6-EBP

Regularly scheduled
EK019/020 – DXB-MAN: Daily
EK025/026 – DXB-GLA: Daily
EK105/106 – DXB-ATH: Tue only
EK121/122 – DXB-IST: Daily ex-Mon
EK332/333 – DXB-MNL: Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat only
EK344 – DXB-CGK-SIN: Mon only
EK582/583 – DXB-DAC: Daily
EK622/623 – DXB-LHE: Sun only
EK624/625 – DXB-LHE: Sat 0nly
EK765/766 – DXB-JNB: Mon, Tue, Thu, Sun only
EK817/818 – DXB-RUH: Sat only
EK857/858 – DXB-KWI Wed, Fri, Sun only

Occasionally scheduled
EK005/006 – DXB-LHR
EK015/016 – DXB-LGW
EK017/018 – DXB-MAN
EK029/030 – DXB-LHR
EK045/046 – DXB-FRA
EK073/074 – DXB-CDG
EK420/421 – DXB-PER
EK424/425 – DXB-PER
EK302/303 – DXB-PVG
EK334/335 – DXB-MNL
EK342/343 – DXB-KUL
EK344 – DXB-CGK
EK346/347 – DXB-KUL-CGK
EK348/349 – DXB-CMB-SIN-CGK
EK352/353 – DXB-SIN/KUL
EK372/373 – DXB-BKK
EK384/385 – DXB-BKK-HKG
EK386/387 – DXB-BKK-HKG
EK512/513 – DXB-DEL
EK923/924 – DXB-CAI

[ngfan]

May I add to A340-500:

DXB-ZRH EK 087 daily
ZRH-DXB EK 088 daily

[Jetstreamer]

Just returned on EK762 JNB-DXB (772) and the aircraft had the ICE system and the new first class (A6-EMI was the a/c)

[SFO_FT]

Anyone know if there's any difference between the type of J seats on the A340-500 and those on the B777-300ER? I know that the B777-300ER F seats aren't as nice as the A340-500s.

[sadiqhassan]

Originally Posted by SFO_FT

Anyone know if there's any difference between the type of J seats on the A340-500 and those on the B777-300ER? I know that the B777-300ER F seats aren't as nice as the A340-500s.

Yes, the A340-500 ones are better although not by too much. They enjoy a similar seat pitch to the B777-300ER, but have privacy hoods, and massage in the seats. The 777-300ER ones are basically an "enhanced" version of the old business class - better pitch and recline but same seat

Cheers

[Mogensen]

Was on DXB-KUL the other day in J, on a 777-300ER two class flight with six rows in business (improved J product right?) and ICE, however was too tired to enjoy it at 03.30 am - hate these late flights as no proper dinner is served, and the breakfast was sadly nothing great!!

The pitch between rows was still imo terible, when seats in front of you are fully reclined, it is basically impossible to climb out from the window seat without waking your neighbour.

Yes the seat is better than on the A330 in J, but the seat pitch on the A330 is so much better, so it basically comes down what you prefer of the two i guess.

[dusordua]

DXB-DUS EK55
DUS-DXB EK56

On saturdays the above flights are operated with a 777-200.

[sadiqhassan]

B777-300ER (ICE / Improved Business Class)

Business / Economy Only

As of October 1st 2005

DXB-GLA EK25
GLA-DXB EK26

Slightly OT... but the DXB-GLA-DXB route seems to be doing extremely well.. the reason to change from a 332 to a 77W I assume

[sadiqhassan]

Originally Posted by Mogensen

Was on DXB-KUL the other day in J, on a 777-300ER two class flight with six rows in business (improved J product right?) and ICE, however was too tired to enjoy it at 03.30 am - hate these late flights as no proper dinner is served, and the breakfast was sadly nothing great!!

The pitch between rows was still imo terible, when seats in front of you are fully reclined, it is basically impossible to climb out from the window seat without waking your neighbour.

Yes the seat is better than on the A330 in J, but the seat pitch on the A330 is so much better, so it basically comes down what you prefer of the two i guess.

Did the windows have wooden trim? If not, you were on the 777-200 (which regularly flies DXB-KUL-DXB) This has improved pitch in J, and ICE but the seat is the same - the 77W seat seems to recline slightly more, but it might just be me

[SFO_FT]

Came off several EK J flights and, yes, the 777-300ER J seat is "substantially" better than any other EK 777s.

sadiqhassan: how are you able to discern which 777-200s have the improved J product vs. the older 777-200s?

[sadiqhassan]

Originally Posted by SFO_FT

Came off several EK J flights and, yes, the 777-300ER J seat is "substantially" better than any other EK 777s.

sadiqhassan: how are you able to discern which 777-200s have the improved J product vs. the older 777-200s?

Thankfully, EK has now reconfigured all 2 class 777-200's and most (if not all) of the 3 class ones.

This was received from EK on Jun 2nd 2005:

Dear Mr Sadiq,

Thank you for your enquiry.

At the moment upgrades for the ICE system have only just been completed on our Boeing 777-200 2 Class series. Work will commence on the other 777-200 series, however this is a gradual process, and unfortunately we are not able to advise which aircraft of the 3 class series will have the ICE system until it has been completed on all aircraft of this type.

Kind regards,

Emirates UK

Cheers

[sadiqhassan]

For the 3 - class 772's, you can make a dummy booking on emirates.com in First Class for your flight. Go to seat selection and if there are 2 rows of F, it is the new plane with ICE. If there are 3 rows, it has not been reconfigured.

Hope this helps.
Cheers

[SFO_FT]

Would those "new and improved" 777-200s (with ICE) actually have "new and improved" seats (similar to the 777-300ERs)? Or, does "improved" seats simply reflect the row of seats they started removing from aircraft 2 or so years ago -- same seat, but with a bit more legroom? I avoid EK 777s (except 777-300ERs) if at all possible because of the uncomfortable seats, but am wondering if I can start booking them now!

Thanks