No, you're supposed to realize that one person with Jewish heritage doesn't speak for all people with Jewish heritage, any more than one person with Chinese heritage speaks for all persons with Chinese heritage. Anecdotal evidence is a problem when you extrapolate from the specific to the general.
My intention was to point out that there were several, but not to say that it was typical, hence in my original original post regarding the preference for LY"many Israelis" and "fair number of Diaspora Jews". If that gave you the misunderstanding that I was generalising, then consider that imprecise/clumsy language on my part, especially in my last post regarding diversion to BEY compared to MIA. Your point is well taken.
After this incident, I know of a few people who stopped taking Royal Jordanian to the Far East. In regards to those personal boycotts that dannybhoy was talking about, I partake in a few myself not buying Ford or Mercedes automobiles and a couple of symbolic protests eventhough I know those companies have little to do with what happened in the past.
I think the settlers and their support will have something to say about that. Israelis in that part of the political spectrum are not the sort to harbour dreams of digging into a bowl of tom yam gai or having dim sum high tea with a view of the Hong Kong skyline, so why would they care if LY takes longer to reach the Far East?
Besides, isn't one of the reasons why many Israelis (and a fair number of Diaspora Jews too) fly LY is because LY does not overfly Arab countries? Would Elbit or Rafael allow their techies to overfly Arab countries? Mind you, I don't think the Gulf Arab countries are a security threat to Israel in that sort of way, so I don't think that overflying the GCC states and Yemen is as problematic as say overflying Syria, Lebanon, or Iran.
I dont think the countries they are suggesting to fly over are Iran, Syria and Lebanon. I think we are talking about adding Saudi Arabia, Iraq and other Persian Gulf countries to Jordan and Egypt.
I dont even think Us carriers fly over Syria or Iran.
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Back to the topic... ly787 do you think this is a real dilemma? Do you think that it is a topic that is being serious considered by LY or the gov't?
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A couple of questions on this very interesting topic:
1. Why would the USA arranging for Israeli commercial flights to be allowed to fly over Arab airspace be throwing a bone to the Israeli governmental? Hasn't LY been privatized?
2. As far as I know, Korean Air's flights to the Far East are not any shorter than LY's. Anyone care to explain why?
A couple of questions on this very interesting topic:
1. Why would the USA arranging for Israeli commercial flights to be allowed to fly over Arab airspace be throwing a bone to the Israeli governmental? Hasn't LY been privatized?
2. As far as I know, Korean Air's flights to the Far East are not any shorter than LY's. Anyone care to explain why?
What is the flight time of LY's TLV-BKK run? I assume it's non-stop.
A couple of questions on this very interesting topic:
1. Why would the USA arranging for Israeli commercial flights to be allowed to fly over Arab airspace be throwing a bone to the Israeli governmental? Hasn't LY been privatized?
2. As far as I know, Korean Air's flights to the Far East are not any shorter than LY's. Anyone care to explain why?
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LY
11:35 BKK-TLV 4314 miles 767
11:10 TLV-BKK 4314 miles 767
KE
10:20 TLV-ICN 4990 miles 747
11:30 ICN-TLV 4990 miles 747
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So I am wrong. A bit OT, but does anyone have any experience KE ex-TLV? How does it measure up to LY in J & F?
u cant compare TLV - BKK to TLV - ICN.
The reason KE's flight are not shorter, is because the restriction not to fly over arab countries are for every airline coming from or flying over Israeli airspace.
I think they just changed to 744, they were combi before.
u cant compare TLV - BKK to TLV - ICN.
The reason KE's flight are not shorter, is because the restriction not to fly over arab countries are for every airline coming from or flying over Israeli airspace.
I think they just changed to 744, they were combi before.
I didn't know this. I always thought the restrictions were LY specific. No wonder even if SQ wanted to do it (political considerations aside), the CBA logistically/financially will be
The reason that I've heard for CX & SQ avoiding TLV is that their Malay FA's would not be able to get visas to enter Israel. Sounds fishy to me....
I heard that CX has no interest in flying to TLV while SQ do but have trouble with the Indonesian and Malaysian governments on the routing. But again, this is all hearsay.
The reason that I've heard for CX & SQ avoiding TLV is that their Malay FA's would not be able to get visas to enter Israel. Sounds fishy to me....
FAs of Malaysian nationality regardless of ethnicity (Malay, Chinese or Indian) will probably not get visas, because the Malaysian authorities will block it. But ethnic Malays of Singaporean nationality will be able to if they want to enter Israel. I don't think Israel discriminates against ethnicity. BTW, S'porean passport holders don't need visas to enter Israel for stays of up to 90 days.
IMO, SQ avoid TLV destinations at least in part due to the political considerations. The logistical/business considerations are probably another factor. I might be wrong but I don't think there's enough traffic to justify the routing difficulties.
