3 more wet leases
Mar 2, 2016, 3:00 am
#1
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3 more wet leases
In Hebrew:
http://www.themarker.com/consumer/1.2869475
LY is wet leasing two aircraft from Euro Atlantic Airways and one more from Privilege Style (who already leased them some previously). They will also be used on long haul routes.
Article describes passenger discontent on the BOS route - no IFE, no proper Business class, no LY "feeling", and no compensation.
http://www.themarker.com/consumer/1.2869475
LY is wet leasing two aircraft from Euro Atlantic Airways and one more from Privilege Style (who already leased them some previously). They will also be used on long haul routes.
Article describes passenger discontent on the BOS route - no IFE, no proper Business class, no LY "feeling", and no compensation.
Mar 2, 2016, 12:39 pm
#3
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I think with all the fanfare el al did with launching the BOS route, that travellers have a right to be frustrated, and should avoid flying el al.
I am sure they would have preferred to have kept a el al plane for BOS and done a wet lease for YYZ, but Canada has strict restrictions in place in regards to the use of wet leases.
I am sure they would have preferred to have kept a el al plane for BOS and done a wet lease for YYZ, but Canada has strict restrictions in place in regards to the use of wet leases.
Mar 3, 2016, 2:54 am
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I've had a feeling for a while that upgrades from Y to C have been harder to come by lately. Now we know why. Its the damn spoiled brat pilots!!
במקרים כאלה מתחילים לחפש טייס מחליף, אבל כשמדובר בטיסה ליעד מרוחק, כמו ניו יורק, הסכם העבודה מחייב את הטייסים ל–44 שעות מנוחה בין הטיסה הלוך לטיסה חזור, מה שמוביל לשהות ארוכה בחו"ל. עד לפני כמה חודשים הטייסים הסכימו גם בהתראה קצרה לשהות ארוכה ולא צפויה מחוץ לבית, אבל באחרונה טייסים רבים שאליהם פנתה החברה לביצוע החלפה מסרו שהם לא יכולים לצאת לשהות ארוכה מחוץ לישראל ומסכימים להתייצב לטיסה רק אם הם יעבדו בטיסת ההלוך ויחזרו לישראל כצוות לא פעיל כבר בטיסה הבאה של החברה, כשהם מקבלים מושב במחלקת עסקים.
Mar 3, 2016, 6:13 am
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That's nothing new. In fact it's not just upgrades. I have found EL AL saying that business class is full when it really does have spare seats, because they ALWAYS reserve certain seats for what is called in their language 'reserved as per work agreement'. Note: not only do they reserve seats, but there are SPECIFIC (good) seats which they reserve.
Mar 3, 2016, 8:28 am
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That's nothing new. In fact it's not just upgrades. I have found EL AL saying that business class is full when it really does have spare seats, because they ALWAYS reserve certain seats for what is called in their language 'reserved as per work agreement'. Note: not only do they reserve seats, but there are SPECIFIC (good) seats which they reserve.
I doubt it.
Mar 4, 2016, 2:08 am
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The Spanish airline privilege flight between Tel Aviv and Boston in business class is horendous. I was put on it returning in January and now I was put on it coming back in February. It's a horror show. Business-class is not business class. It is a backbreaking seat. Forget about life flat. This is like sitting on a diving board about to be dumped into the sea.. Because flight attendants freeze upfront and have no place to go they keep the heat in the plane at crazy settings. I walked off this plane sick twice. Some people in business class next to me had been sent to Boston because New York was closed due to weather. Frequent business-class flyers like I am and they said they had never been in such a play. They are right. And what does El Al do? They add more of these.
Mar 5, 2016, 5:56 am
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"Temporary understandings between ElAl management and pilots"
Haaretz reports (Hebrew) that ElAl management and pilots have on Friday night(?) reached "temporary understandings" that will eliminate the need for these wet leases. It is unclear whether these understandings are valid for two weeks or indefinitely.
Shuly
Shuly
Mar 5, 2016, 8:37 pm
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http://www.elal.com/en/About-ELAL/Ab...e-Airline.aspx
so far the only changes it seems are for the BOS-TLV route.
http://www.elal.com/en/PassengersInf...tsUpdates=True
Apr 12, 2016, 8:11 pm
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I think with all the fanfare el al did with launching the BOS route, that travellers have a right to be frustrated, and should avoid flying el al.
I am sure they would have preferred to have kept a el al plane for BOS and done a wet lease for YYZ, but Canada has strict restrictions in place in regards to the use of wet leases.
I am sure they would have preferred to have kept a el al plane for BOS and done a wet lease for YYZ, but Canada has strict restrictions in place in regards to the use of wet leases.
Oh, by the way, why they don't pick up ex-AA 767-300ER aircraft? If they will take ex-AA 767-300ER aircraft.
Apr 12, 2016, 8:59 pm
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The regulatory body will only allow it under very strict circumstances and the airline would have to meet very specific criteria to be allowed to use wet leases.
The public disclosure requirements include, advertising of the flight would include a notification of the wet lease, and at the time of reservation, and at the time of check in.