Do UP employees have lower salaries than EL AL employees.....?
Apr 6, 2014, 4:55 pm
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Do UP employees have lower salaries than EL AL employees.....?
Since UP is a low cost airline, one might imagine that its employees get lower wages than those of a regular airline. But in the case of an "in-house low cost operation", how true can this be?
Are all UP employees new employees of the El Al Group? Or are they former "regular" employees who will from now on get reduced salaries?
Are UP pilots El Al pilots?
I wonder about the way El Al's management has planned to "lowering the costs"......
Are all UP employees new employees of the El Al Group? Or are they former "regular" employees who will from now on get reduced salaries?
Are UP pilots El Al pilots?
I wonder about the way El Al's management has planned to "lowering the costs"......
Apr 6, 2014, 10:46 pm
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From what I heard UP employees are of the EL AL group and will enjoy the same salaries/benefits as all EL AL employees. Therefore, EL AL is selling a low cost product while at the same time UP's operating costs are identical to EL AL's legacy costs.
This is not a good financial recipe, as putting forth a low cost product while retaining legacy costs was already played out over a decade ago in the United States by DL and UA, and the results were not very good for those carriers.
This is not a good financial recipe, as putting forth a low cost product while retaining legacy costs was already played out over a decade ago in the United States by DL and UA, and the results were not very good for those carriers.
Apr 7, 2014, 6:14 pm
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From what I heard UP employees are of the EL AL group and will enjoy the same salaries/benefits as all EL AL employees. Therefore, EL AL is selling a low cost product while at the same time UP's operating costs are identical to EL AL's legacy costs.
This is not a good financial recipe, as putting forth a low cost product while retaining legacy costs was already played out over a decade ago in the United States by DL and UA, and the results were not very good for those carriers.
This is not a good financial recipe, as putting forth a low cost product while retaining legacy costs was already played out over a decade ago in the United States by DL and UA, and the results were not very good for those carriers.
This is exactly what I thought. But it's beyond me that such a ridiculous scheme has been implemented. Even more so when it is done by a CEO who has already given his resignation.
It would be interesting to have a look on Up's business plan. It must be full of funny things and numbers.... or it might just not exist.
Very soon, Up will join old friends such as Ted and Song on the list of defunct "low-cost airlines" established and operated by regular airlines. What is sad and frightening is that Up might very well take its mother company with it to the grave :-(
Apr 7, 2014, 10:08 pm
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I wonder how EL AL's first class long haul pax feel about those plastic fake leather seats?
Apr 8, 2014, 12:06 am
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this company has twice the employees and half the planes of other airlines i mean seriously how can u run a business that way?
as an israeli it is only natural i transfer my many thousands of shekels spending to elal and fly them but i dont. as i said i really do wish to fly with israeli pilots and security (yeah im one of those who feel calmer in the hands of our fellow israeli pilots) bit not under any cost.
Apr 8, 2014, 12:18 am
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The main reason why I started my campaign to change EL AL was because I could not stand witnessing such an iconic symbol of Israel and the Jewish people deteriorate without doing anything about it. Therefore I gave the EL AL board, including Mrs. Borovich, an entire business plan which a consultant would charge significant sums, with the hope that these people would be smart enough to use it.
Apparently I gave them too much credit and they believe "UP" is the answer, oh well.