Impact of FAA furloughs on DL operations
Apr 23, 2013, 10:21 am
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The desk agent apparently feels the fact 2 out of 3 flights from JFK to MSP were cancelled yesterday is "nothing to significant". 3315 and 3542 were both scrubbed. Only 3538 was completed. My friend and his wife were on 3315, and they would disagree with the desk agent's opinion, especially after paying for an unbudgetted hotel room in NYC.
Apr 23, 2013, 10:33 am
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If you want to get where you are going, avoid any Delta Connection flights from or through the North East. DL made it pretty clear on the earnings call that those will be the first to be sacrificed and they will rebook on whatever mainline capacity is available connecting through hubs. Taking Amtrak from NY to DC or BOS would also be prudent as those flights are not mainline and there continue to be multiple cancellations and delays on DCA/LGA & LGA/BOS routes.
Apr 23, 2013, 10:39 am
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Great.
Except that, for example, 4 of 7 daily flights from PHL to DTW are now regional carriers.
Except that, for example, 4 of 7 daily flights from PHL to DTW are now regional carriers.
Apr 23, 2013, 11:00 am
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FAA.gov already claiming wind for EWR and LGA. I really don't know why they don't just call it what it is. The only thing I can think is that perhaps the wind conditions, though not severe, necessitate extra controllers which are no longer available.
KEWR 231441Z 01013KT 3SM -RA BR FEW009 BKN013 OVC020 06/04 A3035 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 6 RAB1355 CIG 011V015 P0000
KLGA 231448Z 05013KT 2 1/2SM -RA FEW009 BKN013 OVC018 06/03 A3035 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 3 DZB34E44RAB44 SLP278 P0000 60000 T00560028 56012
KLGA 231351Z 04013KT 10SM OVC017 06/01 A3036 RMK AO2 SLP282 T00610011
KEWR 231441Z 01013KT 3SM -RA BR FEW009 BKN013 OVC020 06/04 A3035 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 6 RAB1355 CIG 011V015 P0000
KLGA 231448Z 05013KT 2 1/2SM -RA FEW009 BKN013 OVC018 06/03 A3035 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 3 DZB34E44RAB44 SLP278 P0000 60000 T00560028 56012
KLGA 231351Z 04013KT 10SM OVC017 06/01 A3036 RMK AO2 SLP282 T00610011
NATIONAL PROGRAMS
CONTROL ELEMENT START END SCOPE REASON AVG AAR PR ADVZY DA
EWR 1648 0459 ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER / WIND 139 32 32 038 DA
JFK 1800 0259 ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER / WIND 78 44 44 034 DA
LGA 1217 0359 ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER / WIND 115 30 30 021 DA
Apr 23, 2013, 11:15 am
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Can't say for sure if 'wind' really is an issue or not however. It is cloudy with 20nt+ winds out of the northeast in the JFK region. Probably enough to increase separation distance, but doubt it should be causing 2hr+ delays to the area.
These are furlough impact, with LAX not stating it but sounds strongly like it for ground control.
DFW:
Due to OTHER:STAFFING D10, arrival traffic is experiencing airborne delay between 31 minutes and 45 minutes and increasing.
LAX:
Due to TM Initiatives:ESP:VOL, traffic is experiencing Gate Hold and Taxi delays between 31 minutes and 45 minutes in length and increasing.
These are furlough impact, with LAX not stating it but sounds strongly like it for ground control.
DFW:
Due to OTHER:STAFFING D10, arrival traffic is experiencing airborne delay between 31 minutes and 45 minutes and increasing.
LAX:
Due to TM Initiatives:ESP:VOL, traffic is experiencing Gate Hold and Taxi delays between 31 minutes and 45 minutes in length and increasing.
Last edited by rylan; Apr 23, 2013 at 11:24 am Reason: Updated times in DFW
Apr 23, 2013, 11:20 am
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And now the airlines are requesting waiver of the tarmac delay rule:
http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2013/0...ntcmp=features
http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2013/0...ntcmp=features
Apr 23, 2013, 11:26 am
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Yeah thats just what we need... pax stuck on planes for 5 hours because of "FAA staffing" delays. I'm sure airlines would jump all over that.
Apr 23, 2013, 11:36 am
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And, when it comes to Congress, FAA, airlines, and PAX... you know who is at the bottom of the hill facing the flow.
Apr 23, 2013, 12:37 pm
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I flew yesterday SJC-SLC-DCA, leaving SJC around 1330 and leaving SLC around 1700. Other than the inbound CRJ-900 reaching SJC a few minutes late, all operations ran smoothly (the SJC ground staff turned the plane quickly and we arrived in SLC on time; the SLC-DCA leg on a 737-800 got away from the gate a few minutes early, benefitted from a 120+ mph tail wind, and parked at the gate at DCA 20 minutes early). Only blemish on a good trip was that the satellite TV on our 737-800 didn't work at all.
Apr 23, 2013, 12:40 pm
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Oh geez, here we go... Staffing ground stop delay for flights heading into IAD, DCA, and DFW now.
Apr 23, 2013, 1:11 pm
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So, i'm not understanding the commentary on here regarding this being an "administration hissyfit".
Do you think cutting $647M from a ~$15.2B(down from $16B in FY12) budget would have 0 impact? They have to cut that all out of 5 months of budget, which makes things even worse.
I don't get some people.
Do you think cutting $647M from a ~$15.2B(down from $16B in FY12) budget would have 0 impact? They have to cut that all out of 5 months of budget, which makes things even worse.
I don't get some people.
Apr 23, 2013, 1:20 pm
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So, i'm not understanding the commentary on here regarding this being an "administration hissyfit".
Do you think cutting $647M from a ~$15.2B(down from $16B in FY12) budget would have 0 impact? They have to cut that all out of 5 months of budget, which makes things even worse.
I don't get some people.
Do you think cutting $647M from a ~$15.2B(down from $16B in FY12) budget would have 0 impact? They have to cut that all out of 5 months of budget, which makes things even worse.
I don't get some people.
I suggest that everyone here who thinks it's a hissy fit or that they could easily cut elsewhere provide here a detailed list of the substitute cuts. And if it's non-ATC employees, please list their names, assignments and the amount to be saved. We could pass your deep insights on to the FAA.
Apr 23, 2013, 2:31 pm
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tomorrow's furloughs
Is there any way to know what tomorrow's furlough locations will be?
Flying MSN-ATL-UIO tomorrow and hoping for the best.
Flying MSN-ATL-UIO tomorrow and hoping for the best.
Apr 23, 2013, 2:31 pm
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Apr 23, 2013, 3:00 pm
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So, i'm not understanding the commentary on here regarding this being an "administration hissyfit".
Do you think cutting $647M from a ~$15.2B(down from $16B in FY12) budget would have 0 impact? They have to cut that all out of 5 months of budget, which makes things even worse.
I don't get some people.
Do you think cutting $647M from a ~$15.2B(down from $16B in FY12) budget would have 0 impact? They have to cut that all out of 5 months of budget, which makes things even worse.
I don't get some people.
+1
I suggest that everyone here who thinks it's a hissy fit or that they could easily cut elsewhere provide here a detailed list of the substitute cuts. And if it's non-ATC employees, please list their names, assignments and the amount to be saved. We could pass your deep insights on to the FAA.
I suggest that everyone here who thinks it's a hissy fit or that they could easily cut elsewhere provide here a detailed list of the substitute cuts. And if it's non-ATC employees, please list their names, assignments and the amount to be saved. We could pass your deep insights on to the FAA.
Suffice it to say, that there are some of us beyond the Belt-way who have well-deserved skepticism when any federal agency asserts that it can't find 4.25% fat in its budget.
I've been exposed to the process. I have no doubts that, last August, there were folks in the FAA tasked with finding anything that money could be spent on before the end of the fiscal year under the "If we don't spend it all, our next budget request will be cut!" paradigm.