DL cancelling flights @NRT.

[topcat_dcx]

DL just cancelled Shanghai, ICN and TPE to 6 am in the morning due to NRT snowstorm. Any tips on overnighting in NRT? I would love to not exit airport (I hold single entry visa that I'd like to use on the return)

[rajsh]

topcat - take a look at this link ...
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/trav...ist.html#hotel

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Aircraft operating hours is between 6:00 a.m. and 11:00 p.m.. Customers are not permitted to remain in the passenger terminals outside aircraft operating hours. However, under special circumstances, for example when an aircraft arrives after public transport stops operating, customers may be allowed to sleep in designated areas. Moreover, customers catching early morning flights are advised to use nearby hotels and accommodations around the airport.
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But also take a look here ... might help or might not ... but it seems the police do come around at a certain point.
http://www.sleepinginairports.net/li...o&terminal=NRT

Good luck ... sorry to hear about the canceled flights

[PDXNRTLHR]

Your airline should put you in a hotel, and organize transit back.

If you leave the air side area, the immigration officer will stamp your passport canceling your departure stamp, so you shouldn't have an issue with using up your single reentry.

I had a flight canceled at NRT due to snow last year and AF handled it well. I was surprised how smoothly it went, considering they had to process an entire A380 full of passengers.

[Pharaoh]

Originally Posted by PDXNRTLHR

If you leave the air side area, the immigration officer will stamp your passport canceling your departure stamp, so you shouldn't have an issue with using up your single reentry.

Annulling like that is fine for NRT originating passengers. But what if the situation is an incoming connecting passenger who has a single entry visa which is planned for use on a return flight days later? How does that person get to a hotel without losing the planned future entry?

[mot29]

Originally Posted by Pharaoh

Annulling like that is fine for NRT originating passengers. But what if the situation is an incoming connecting passenger who has a single entry visa which is planned for use on a return flight days later? How does that person get to a hotel without losing the planned future entry?

Not a US citizen, I'm guessing. The Japanese Landing Permits in my US passport are all good for 90 days. If a US citizen, couldn't you just get a second one when you arrive the second time?

[Pharaoh]

Originally Posted by mot29

Not a US citizen, I'm guessing. The Japanese Landing Permits in my US passport are all good for 90 days. If a US citizen, couldn't you just get a second one when you arrive the second time?

Yes, my question would necessarily apply only to people requiring visas (which would be other than US citizens).

[MSPeconomist]

At some airports with strict visa rules, such as SVO, stranded passengers can be taken to an area of a designated hotel that is considered transit. They won't be able to leave that area of the hotel and will be transported between airport and hotel in special buses. I don't know whether there's a similar set-up at NRT.

Some countries will make exceptions for transit passengers that are caught without visas, and permit them to enter for a day or two, while other countries will insist that they remain airside until their flights depart.

I think the OP should start by asking the airline reps what is the situation for those who normally would need a visa to leave the airport and go to a hotel. AFAIK there are no airside (transit) hotels at NRT and no sleeping rooms in lounges.

Since the cause is weather, DL would not ordinarily arrange or pay for hotel rooms for stranded passengers, but someone should know how the Japanese authorities treat these situations. They should also know whether the terminal will close overnight tonight.

[mot29]

Originally Posted by MSPeconomist

At some airports with strict visa rules, such as SVO, stranded passengers can be taken to an area of a designated hotel that is considered transit. They won't be able to leave that area of the hotel and will be transported between airport and hotel in special buses.

Off-topic, but a fun story -- back in the days of the USSR, my father and I booked an Intourist UK trip to the Soviet Union. Intourist was to get our visas for us and we were to pick them up in Glasgow before joining the group for a flight to SVO. But, we arrived at GLA and there were no visas -- the Intourist folks indicated that we could obtain USSR visas at SVO and that they would wire ahead to the Intourist people who were meeting our flight -- fine. I speak a bit of Russian so figured -- another adventure.

We arrive at SVO, but since this was a charter went to SVO 1 where there was no visa on arrival office. The Intourist guide meeting the group came through immigration and told us that we would be transported to SVO 2 where we could get our visas on arrival and then to take a cab to the hotel (don't remember the name, but it was near the VDNK) -- she gave us a taxi voucher.

My father and I (and 2 others) were escorted to a bus by army officers (I seem to recall KGB shoulder boards) where we were counted and signed for by other officers. We made our way around the airport and were escorted to the immigration office at SVO 2 (the main side of the airport). I had a conversation with another officer who seemed okay with out arriving without visa but told me we would have to spend the night at the "gostinitsa dlya lyoodye bez vizov" -- hotel for people without visas, the transit side of the Aeroflot hotel at SVO.

So, we were counted again and signed for by 3 more officers and driven to the hotel where we checked in and got a fairly nice room. Only problem was no hot water in the room. I went out to talk with the floor lady (every Soviet hotel had them -- little ladies who sat near the elevators and took care of things on the floor). I asked about the hot water and she replied "cherez nedelyoo" -- in a week, which didn't make great sense so I asked again, and again. Finally she responded "remont" -- remodeling.

We slept well, got up the next morning, had breakfast and were escorted back to the airport where we got visas on arrival (paying with an AMEX card) and took a cab to our hotel where me met up with the tour group for lunch. Intourist refunded the second visa charge and we had a great three weeks in Moscow, Kishinev, Lvov, Kiev, and Leningrad (at the time).

And came home with a great story about transit hotels.

[blakeflyer]

Delta canceled the flight to TPE on Jan 14 and my flight is DL 276 to NRT on 15.
I know there will be no flight or flight delay for the flight on 15 and I will miss my
connecting flight to JFK.
I called DL and the agent assumed me that they already sent another flight
to Taipei so it will depart on time. Therefore, they don't protect me or rebook me. What should I do now? Just go to the airport and know that I will miss my
connecting flight?

[sjlin0121]

Originally Posted by blakeflyer

Delta canceled the flight to TPE on Jan 14 and my flight is DL 276 to NRT on 15.
I know there will be no flight or flight delay for the flight on 15 and I will miss my
connecting flight to JFK.
I called DL and the agent assumed me that they already sent another flight
to Taipei so it will depart on time. Therefore, they don't protect me or rebook me. What should I do now? Just go to the airport and know that I will miss my
connecting flight?

My mom in law is on the same boat. Now NRT-TPE is scheduled arriving at 8:26am and back to NRT at 9:40am. Is it possible? What is the turnover time for 744? The connection time in NRT is just barely 1.5 hours. I guess she better head to the airport as early as possible!

[bsagator]

Originally Posted by PDXNRTLHR

Your airline should put you in a hotel, and organize transit back.

I didn't think they did this in a weather related delay.

[dilbertsdaddy]

There is a holiday inn off airport, but very close and convenient. Decent rooms, but the food is horrible.

Definitely a choice of convenience over luxury.

[MSPeconomist]

Originally Posted by blakeflyer

Delta canceled the flight to TPE on Jan 14 and my flight is DL 276 to NRT on 15.
I know there will be no flight or flight delay for the flight on 15 and I will miss my
connecting flight to JFK.
I called DL and the agent assumed me that they already sent another flight
to Taipei so it will depart on time. Therefore, they don't protect me or rebook me. What should I do now? Just go to the airport and know that I will miss my
connecting flight?

Remember that Taiwan-based China Airlines (?) is a SkyTeam member and EVA tends to sell relatively inexpensive business class tickets. Since China Airlines is a partner, DL might be willing to put you on their early flight to NRT, although you should check what terminal they use at NRT. (I can't recall seeing them near the DL gates in Terminal 1 and AFAIK the other side of Terminal 1 is entirely *A.) Changing terminals at NRT is a hassle and time consuming; you must take the specific airside bus for your carrier and these buses are not very frequent. (They also stop service outside of prime hours.) The gate with these buses reminds me of the worst sort of set-up for small planes without jetways, where a bunch of flights share the gate at the same time.

[RealHJ]

Originally Posted by MSPeconomist

Remember that Taiwan-based China Airlines (?) is a SkyTeam member and EVA tends to sell relatively inexpensive business class tickets. Since China Airlines is a partner, DL might be willing to put you on their early flight to NRT, although you should check what terminal they use at NRT. (I can't recall seeing them near the DL gates in Terminal 1 and AFAIK the other side of Terminal 1 is entirely *A.) Changing terminals at NRT is a hassle and time consuming; you must take the specific airside bus for your carrier and these buses are not very frequent. (They also stop service outside of prime hours.) The gate with these buses reminds me of the worst sort of set-up for small planes without jetways, where a bunch of flights share the gate at the same time.

CI is in the old and hot (in the summer, due to lack of AC) and cold (at this time, due to lack of heating) Terminal 1. From my experience, T1 to T2 is just a walk. If you keep walking long enough in T1, all of a sudden you will walk into what looks like a different airport: cool (not stuffy and uncomfortably hot), more modern design, clean, pleasant. Right after you see the sign: Terminal 2. It's just a looong straight hallway where if you keep walking, you walk from T1 to T2.

And again, CI is at T1.

EDIT: this is talking about TPE (Taoyuan airport, Taiwan), not NRT (Narita, Japan).

[MSPeconomist]

Originally Posted by RealHJ

CI is in the old and hot (in the summer, due to lack of AC) and cold (at this time, due to lack of heating) Terminal 1. From my experience, T1 to T2 is just a walk. If you keep walking long enough in T1, all of a sudden you will walk into what looks like a different airport: cool (not stuffy and uncomfortably hot), more modern design, clean, pleasant. Right after you see the sign: Terminal 2. It's just a looong straight hallway where if you keep walking, you walk from T1 to T2.

And again, CI is at T1.

At NRT? Those terminals are far apart. DL uses Terminal 1, which has north and south wings: one is many SkyTeam carriers (DL, AF, KE, etc.) and the other end is *A (UA, SQ, ANA, etc.) plus some domestic flights at the far end. JAL, QF, etc. is Terminal 2, the newer one, although Terminal 1 has undergone some extensive renovations.