That makes the DL fare 235% higher than the SQ fare.
I have been researching Asia trips a month or two from now. Same dates, same airports: delta.com, all DL (or Connection) metal, via ATL: about $1450 all in. nwa.com, mostly NW metal (sometimes same DL Connection connections), via DTW, about $1100 all in.
This is the same company? What are they smoking in ATL?
At least most current DL promotions I see give credit, if booking class allows, for flying NW metal (but not other airline code shares) if the flight is credited to your SM number.
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I very strongly suggest that everyone skip the registration process and skip this foolish promotion.
The DL fare in Y, early September, PHX-SLC-NRT-SGN is $3,300 all in. All aircraft are currrently empty with a total of 19 seats sold across all 6 flights.
The SQ fare in Y, early September, PHX-LAX-SIN-SGN is $1,274 all in.
That makes the DL fare 235% higher than the SQ fare.
DL executives, every hour of every day, are showing themselves to be full blown, unadulterated, incompetent fools.
Anne
What B.S.
Pricing PHX-SGN for departure on 4 Sep and return on 23 Sep:
delta.com
PHX-SLC-NRT-SGN roundtrip: US$1356.70 all-in "Q" fare
singaporeair.com
"Sweet Deal"
PHX-SFO-SIN-SGN roundtrip: US$1,526.70 all-in
Fare does not qualify for mileage accrual
I can't believe this isn't generating more discussion. I'm flying SFO-SYD for $657 and getting 60K SM after GM bonus. Did I miss something in the T&Cs?
I can't believe this isn't generating more discussion. I'm flying SFO-SYD for $657 and getting 60K SM after GM bonus. Did I miss something in the T&Cs?
It is probably because most people with any significant flying history will not, under any circumstance, fly for 15 hours in coach in the manner that DL has structured their coach international service.
The other primary reason is that DL/NW have become the proverbial coyote...chewing their own legs off. And, increasing percentages of customers are unwilling to chew their own legs off along with them.
Pursuing SM miles, bonus or not, has proven itself to be a near worthless (and soon to be inarguably worthless) endeavor in light of the fact that, magically, their system is such that mileage required for international trips on 98% of occasions have recently doubled and tripled. I have many friends who have been tirelessly trying to find J seats to any of 5 cities in Asia for their stated 120,000 r/t miles, and through January 2010 can find nothing for less than 240,000 even though 70% of the seat maps are literally wide open.
My point is that DL will mistakenly not interpret it this way (because a small number of their customers are falling all over themselves on this promotion), but rapidly increasing numbers of people are just giving up on DL.
Yet SQ, just posted a very substantial profit based on a much more rational and ethical business model, which Anderson and DL lack.
I can't believe this isn't generating more discussion. I'm flying SFO-SYD for $657 and getting 60K SM after GM bonus. Did I miss something in the T&Cs?
Nice work. Valuing those miles at Pay With Miles rates, you're effectively flying across the Pacific for $57.
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Wow, Anne. You've outdone even your normal self with the rhetoric on this one. I'm tempted to start with your SQ commentary, but I'll go with chronological.
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It is probably because most people with any significant flying history will not, under any circumstance, fly for 15 hours in coach in the manner that DL has structured their coach international service.
Seriously, Anne? There are lots of people who fly DL long-haul in coach, including experienced travelers. If for some reason I had to fly to SYD in coach (it happened to me once before), I'd request DL among the options based on loyalty upside. I've done QF in coach - not only are the differences in coach marginal b/w most carriers (IMO), but the QF flights yielded a fraction of the flown miles to my AA account. I would grant that E+ on UA would be the best coach-ish option, but it's not really coach.
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Originally Posted by NoPlaceLikeHome
...Pursuing SM miles, bonus or not, has proven itself to be a near worthless (and soon to be inarguably worthless) endeavor in light of the fact that, magically, their system is such that mileage required for international trips on 98% of occasions have recently doubled and tripled. I have many friends who have been tirelessly trying to find J seats to any of 5 cities in Asia for their stated 120,000 r/t miles, and through January 2010 can find nothing for less than 240,000 even though 70% of the seat maps are literally wide open.
"Inarguably worthless?" Well, in this case, I can prove you wrong because I am arguing against your point. There is an entire thread here related to award ticket success. I agree that it's become harder to use miles, and DL is harder than most airlines I deal with, but your hyperbole takes away from whatever little credibility you might otherwise have.
For the record, I've redeemed 3.36M miles on DL, and never ever ever for anything other than the lowest level of award. This mix is weighted to premium cabins and international, but includes some of everything. And some of it is pretty recent. The latest was two weeks ago, when I booked a transcon F trip for Memorial Day weekend, just three weeks in advance.
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Originally Posted by NoPlaceLikeHome
My point is that DL will mistakenly not interpret it this way (because a small number of their customers are falling all over themselves on this promotion), but rapidly increasing numbers of people are just giving up on DL.
Yet SQ, just posted a very substantial profit based on a much more rational and ethical business model, which Anderson and DL lack.
Anne
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Hey babe - no sense in letting the facts get in the way of a good old-fashioned rant.
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I can't believe this isn't generating more discussion. I'm flying SFO-SYD for $657 and getting 60K SM after GM bonus. Did I miss something in the T&Cs?
I'd like to give my contribution to discussion, but DL runs a strange marketing.
One of the new routes if DTW-FCO, but the Italian version of the website doesn't show any info about that.
It has always the same old links 'low fares from Rome to Atlanta" and "low fares from Rome to New York". That's all...
I'm a DL FF based in Italy, having FCO as home airport, I'm not targeted for this promotion despite the new DTW-FCO route. Yet, I'm used to receive emails about promos that are only available to US-based flyers and I can't use.
Again, a global airline, a local marketing.
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Originally Posted by andymo99
Seriously, Anne? There are lots of people who fly DL long-haul in coach, including experienced travelers. If for some reason I had to fly to SYD in coach (it happened to me once before), I'd request DL among the options based on loyalty upside.
Delta's email for this promo says for Economy if purchased with a SM Amex, there is a 15K mile bonus. The NW email doe snot mention this. I have registered for this promo on both NW and DL but nwa.com has my flights $500 cheaper. If I book on nwa.com and pay with SM Amex, do I still get the 15K amex bonus?
The DL terms don't specify that it has to be bought on delta.com... but should I buy on NWA and apply the miles to SM vs WP?
Delta is having an unadvertised sale to syd in august and september on limited availibility. Found flights for $646.(ai). $808 from NYC. $1846 M class Lax-Syd
I saw the same thing, as I have been shopping this route for a possible summer vacation.
To participate in this offer, eligible members must register online at delta.com/international by August 31, 2009, and book and fly round trip between the start date of each new route and September 30, 2009.
I detest these T&C's that are written so they MAY mean to exclude the opportunity to buy tickets now (before the flights start operating) or they MAY mean the people writing them didn't know how to clearly state what they meant...there's a difference between "book and fly between" and " book, and fly between" (or even more clear - book, then fly between", but it's always unclear if the T&C's are intentionally trying to exclude something or are just not well communicated. ::sigh::
I detest these T&C's that are written so they MAY mean to exclude the opportunity to buy tickets now (before the flights start operating) or they MAY mean the people writing them didn't know how to clearly state what they meant...there's a difference between "book and fly between" and " book, and fly between" (or even more clear - book, then fly between", but it's always unclear if the T&C's are intentionally trying to exclude something or are just not well communicated. ::sigh::
Agreed. T&Cs are so often so vague. It's a shame because a little more effort to make them clear would save the customers and DL so much time and hassle.
