New Three-Tier System/Award Calendar In Effect
#106
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I hope Ernst & Young, as part of their 2008 external audit takes a look at this. Within Delta's IT General Controls (ITGC), there should be controls designed adequatley and operating effectively surrounding their IT Project Development and Change Management methodologies. This is a Sarbanes-Oxley requirement. They must have controls to test major developments in a test environment, as well as get sign-off from management once they deem testing effective.
Fair point, though I wouldn't go as far as saying they need to be canned. More beta testing might suffice.
#107
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Truly a breakdown in the Delta IT System Development Lifecycle.
I hope Ernst & Young, as part of their 2008 external audit takes a look at this. Within Delta's IT General Controls (ITGC), there should be controls designed adequatley and operating effectively surrounding their IT Project Development and Change Management methodologies. This is a Sarbanes-Oxley requirement. They must have controls to test major developments in a test environment, as well as get sign-off from management once they deem testing effective.
This is certainly a demonstration of Delta's IT either not having a formal, effective IT Development methodology or not following the one that exists. Those controls should not pass effectiveness test sand likely have some design inadequacies too based on what we are seeing with this Award Calendar roll-out. Sadly, because it impacts 'miles redemption', and not 'dollars redemption', it probably wouldn't show up as a financial control weakness in their Annual Report as its more of an operational weakness.
As noted in these posts on this thread, this operational weakness is causing people to reconsider their loyalty to Delta.
My perception is that in management's cost benefit analysis of frustrating SkyMiles customers versus getting the SkyMiles liability off their books and increased marginal revenue, they are certainly choosing the latter at this time.
I hope Ernst & Young, as part of their 2008 external audit takes a look at this. Within Delta's IT General Controls (ITGC), there should be controls designed adequatley and operating effectively surrounding their IT Project Development and Change Management methodologies. This is a Sarbanes-Oxley requirement. They must have controls to test major developments in a test environment, as well as get sign-off from management once they deem testing effective.
This is certainly a demonstration of Delta's IT either not having a formal, effective IT Development methodology or not following the one that exists. Those controls should not pass effectiveness test sand likely have some design inadequacies too based on what we are seeing with this Award Calendar roll-out. Sadly, because it impacts 'miles redemption', and not 'dollars redemption', it probably wouldn't show up as a financial control weakness in their Annual Report as its more of an operational weakness.
As noted in these posts on this thread, this operational weakness is causing people to reconsider their loyalty to Delta.
My perception is that in management's cost benefit analysis of frustrating SkyMiles customers versus getting the SkyMiles liability off their books and increased marginal revenue, they are certainly choosing the latter at this time.
#108
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#109
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and fyi, sorry it took so long to make a more substantial post. i opted to use my lunch to follow up here. i would have quoted and commented on more posts but there's only so much time in the day.
#110
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Multi-city functionality still not working for me ("one or more flights just sold out" message). This is a long darned time for this not to work at all-- how many thousands of award flights are people trying to book right now without success? The message about why they're not successful is false, and I suspect is known to be false by DL.
#111
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no, its absolutely nothing close to that. its because discussions surrounding the calendar (or the award ticket application in general) usually turns into a discussion about the skymiles program. at that point it seems to go directly into opinions, so it makes it hard to have a discussion without having opinions about the program entering into it. for instance, i wrote the blog about the award ticket calendar to explain the difference in search methodologies (and why) between the calendar results and the itinerary results (select flights). while just being straight facts, it still generated discussions about the program policies and rules. so its sensitive to me because i should not (and will not) comment on the program policies. plus, those policies and rules are applied prior to my job duties dealing with the resulting data. the rules, etc are applied centrally so that the same rules and policies are applied across all channels (phone, web, etc). does all that make sense as to why its a sensitive topic? if not i am more than happy to try explaining again, but i hope this covers it.
I absolutely appreciate and applaud your high level of participation here. Sadly though, even if the technical hurdles are overcome and Delta going forward has the best booking system in the world, I am fearful that the Award policies are what's really going to drive me away from Delta after my current primary airline NW gets folded in with them.
Right now, it is so much trouble to use Delta's award booking process I mostly don't even mess with it - I can book trips soooo much more easily with my AA, UA (Caveat: UA is more reliably easy to use for North American travel), and NW (but getting worse there), and that's w/o having any status in either AA or UA.
#112
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...discussions surrounding the calendar (or the award ticket application in general) usually turns into a discussion about the skymiles program. at that point it seems to go directly into opinions, so it makes it hard to have a discussion without having opinions about the program entering into it.
Getting the ball rolling... you've discussed multiple times that data parsing challenges and computing limitations that are behind some of the calendar accuracy issues. This is understandable. Now that the look an ease of use is pretty solid (I know some disagree, but its pretty clear that at the very least, they are reasonable), I'd suggest putting a lot of focus on that accuracy issue. Would it be worthwhile to examine how AA's calendar works in this respect, as it seems to be extremely accurate and user friendly at the same time? I presume they share many of the same computational and data constraints, and yet their system seems to deal with them accurately. Do you have any insight into their solutions, and if so, is there a way you could use them as guidance?
Last edited by mooper; Sep 26, 2008 at 11:02 am
#113
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good idea, i'm with that..
I've liked the new calendar what I've been able to see of it..
however, I get a lot of the "lets try that again" messages #7000 #7550 # 7005 when doing multi city searches, specific to BHM-FCO:VCE-BHM (what i've been searching anyway)...
Hope error #'s help, I can post them if I run into them and give the circumstances from which they occurred..
thanks webdev guy..
I've liked the new calendar what I've been able to see of it..
however, I get a lot of the "lets try that again" messages #7000 #7550 # 7005 when doing multi city searches, specific to BHM-FCO:VCE-BHM (what i've been searching anyway)...
Hope error #'s help, I can post them if I run into them and give the circumstances from which they occurred..
thanks webdev guy..
#114
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While this may be straying somewhat from the topic of the online award functionality, I for one would REALLY like to see a breakdown of the taxes/surcharges for these award tickets. I have a hard time with the "take our word for it" mentality. Show me what I'm actually paying for.
#115
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The price of the rt fight to Hawaii I looked for this summer went down from 70k to on 65k now at the new Medium level.
#116
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Delta forgot to increase ?
Looks like delta forgot to increase mileage requirements for award flights in September, 50000 mile tickets still available to europe.
#117
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If that was true, I am sure that they would be quite appreciative of you tipping them off to the fact so they could correct their error.
Hint... start brain before starting typing
Hint... start brain before starting typing
#119
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I am still having trouble with the award calendar
I am searching for low mileage flights from Washington DC to Bangkok.
This is NOT working
This is NOT working
Last edited by whynotgo; Sep 28, 2008 at 4:05 pm Reason: correct post
#120
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