Goodbye NRT-PVG, hello ATL-PVG
Jul 20, 2017, 12:52 pm
#91
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I actually agree with this. Because of ORD and NYC they can't just shove some ATL based traffic to replace routes previously served in MSP/DTW.
Jul 20, 2017, 2:55 pm
#92
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Thanks! Was hoping there was a site that had those numbers for all airports.
Jul 20, 2017, 8:47 pm
#94
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Jul 21, 2017, 11:56 am
#97
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I continue to be amazed that Delta is upping xxx-PVG capacity given the total lack of gates there. For some reason, other SkyTeam partners (AF, KE, etc.) can provide real gates and jetways and Delta prefers to go on the cheap, force their passengers to stand in 100 degree REAL temperature, lug bags up and down stairs, and ride crappy buses around the tarmac instead of paying for the gates. I know PVG is working on another terminal but that is YEARS and YEARS away. The whole experience (other than the new MU lounge there) is a C*F*.
I would NEVER use PVG as a connection point.
I would NEVER use PVG as a connection point.
Jul 21, 2017, 9:59 pm
#98
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They're not in terms of frequencies/flights as they're dropping NRT-PVG. They have to drop something as US carriers have maxed out their allocation of flights to China Zones 1-2 under the bilateral (the only exception being a 7x weekly carve out to CAN).
Jul 21, 2017, 10:07 pm
#99
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I continue to be amazed that Delta is upping xxx-PVG capacity given the total lack of gates there. For some reason, other SkyTeam partners (AF, KE, etc.) can provide real gates and jetways and Delta prefers to go on the cheap, force their passengers to stand in 100 degree REAL temperature, lug bags up and down stairs, and ride crappy buses around the tarmac instead of paying for the gates. I know PVG is working on another terminal but that is YEARS and YEARS away. The whole experience (other than the new MU lounge there) is a C*F*.
I would NEVER use PVG as a connection point.
I would NEVER use PVG as a connection point.
Jul 22, 2017, 1:55 am
#100
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A lot of the "Wall Street-types" are UA flyers because of EWR's proximity to Wall Street and the fact that UA has the most destinations from NYC. A lot of them are choosing EWR over even LGA for short flights due to current construction at LGA.
Jul 22, 2017, 11:10 am
#101
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DL pays fpr gates. Its a matter of where MU assigns them. For some reason MU feels its better to park the plane at remote station, then tp use an empty jetway and move plane for parking once unloaded. AF/KLM also have this happen. Last week there was no planes at jetways, yet my KL 787 was parked at bus gate to unload.
Jul 22, 2017, 1:57 pm
#102
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Last time I was there, my 744 to DTW boarded from a gate. An AF 777 was at a remote stand. In fact, come to think of it, I've never deplaned at a remote stand at PVG either, on Delta. DTW, LAX and NRT.
Jul 22, 2017, 5:14 pm
#103
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Is it? Isn't it that Dullta is more into the business of selling SlyMiles and then massively devaluating it (basically, bait and switch / scam artist practices)? Flying is just something DL does on the side, to give the illusion of use to SlyMiles..
Jul 23, 2017, 5:30 am
#104
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Considering how much i transit PVG, Ive learned it's MU. Happens on AF/KL also. Its just MU ground handling laziness. If the plane isn't turnning right around they park at bus stand, despite all jetways being open. If immediate turn around then it goes tp a jetway.
Jul 23, 2017, 11:24 am
#105
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They aren't lazy, but real estate is scarce. Right now 185/186 LAX-PVG-LAX is the only "turning" aircraft of the 4 DL flights at PVG so, it usually gets the gate. Everything else RON's so its usually on a hardstand, but sometimes we get lucky and they can tow it to a gate for boarding / deplaning.