Upgrading Y, M, B, H intl
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Upgrading Y, M, B, H intl
I haven't done this in a while. My (maybe wrong) understanding was that I could purchase a ticket in an H or M class and if there is O space available I can upgrade with miles (60k or 80k) to delta one. There are three seats available with O space for my flight, but the agent is telling me that it isn't possible. No worries, I haven't purchased the ticket yet. Can anyone help?
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How do you know there is upgrade inventory available? If you are searching for award tickets, that is not the same inventory that upgrades come from.
If upgrade inventory is available, and this is a Delta-operated flight you are booking through Delta, then yes, you can upgrade from a Y fare down through a K fare internationally. Upgrade rates have dropped... 30k for Y/B/M, and 60k for the cheaper fare classes to either Europe or Northern Asia. Anything below K is not eligible though.
So in short, if the agent tells you upgrade inventory is available, but you are not eligible when buying those fare classes, the agent is wrong. If the agent is telling you upgrade inventory simply isn't available, that's another matter.
If upgrade inventory is available, and this is a Delta-operated flight you are booking through Delta, then yes, you can upgrade from a Y fare down through a K fare internationally. Upgrade rates have dropped... 30k for Y/B/M, and 60k for the cheaper fare classes to either Europe or Northern Asia. Anything below K is not eligible though.
So in short, if the agent tells you upgrade inventory is available, but you are not eligible when buying those fare classes, the agent is wrong. If the agent is telling you upgrade inventory simply isn't available, that's another matter.
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Thanks. This is very helpful. He told me that I could only upgrade YBM fare classes which I gather was incorrect. This was a supervisor.
He also told me there was no upgrade eligible inventory at all.
He also told me there was no upgrade eligible inventory at all.
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Regardless, upgrade inventory that we cannot see is required.
Try calling again.
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For mileage upgrades, you will need "OY" space (for business-class coded flights).
This is not the same as general "O" space that you can find on Delta.com, and you cannot see this inventory unless you call in.
I will also mention that unless you are short on miles, it's generally quite expensive to buy a Y/B/M/H/Q/K-fare ticket and then upgrade.... IIRC H/Q/K require something like 60-80k miles to upgrade one way between US and Europe? Whereas a low-level award ticket outright will require 70k miles.
So buying a Y/B/M/H/Q/K ticket requires the cash ticket, plus another 60-80k miles, while just buying an award ticket with miles may cost less. Your experience, of course, can always vary depending on the dates you are looking to go.
This is not the same as general "O" space that you can find on Delta.com, and you cannot see this inventory unless you call in.
I will also mention that unless you are short on miles, it's generally quite expensive to buy a Y/B/M/H/Q/K-fare ticket and then upgrade.... IIRC H/Q/K require something like 60-80k miles to upgrade one way between US and Europe? Whereas a low-level award ticket outright will require 70k miles.
So buying a Y/B/M/H/Q/K ticket requires the cash ticket, plus another 60-80k miles, while just buying an award ticket with miles may cost less. Your experience, of course, can always vary depending on the dates you are looking to go.
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For mileage upgrades, you will need "OY" space (for business-class coded flights).
This is not the same as general "O" space that you can find on Delta.com, and you cannot see this inventory unless you call in.
I will also mention that unless you are short on miles, it's generally quite expensive to buy a Y/B/M/H/Q/K-fare ticket and then upgrade.... IIRC H/Q/K require something like 60-80k miles to upgrade one way between US and Europe? Whereas a low-level award ticket outright will require 70k miles.
So buying a Y/B/M/H/Q/K ticket requires the cash ticket, plus another 60-80k miles, while just buying an award ticket with miles may cost less. Your experience, of course, can always vary depending on the dates you are looking to go.
This is not the same as general "O" space that you can find on Delta.com, and you cannot see this inventory unless you call in.
I will also mention that unless you are short on miles, it's generally quite expensive to buy a Y/B/M/H/Q/K-fare ticket and then upgrade.... IIRC H/Q/K require something like 60-80k miles to upgrade one way between US and Europe? Whereas a low-level award ticket outright will require 70k miles.
So buying a Y/B/M/H/Q/K ticket requires the cash ticket, plus another 60-80k miles, while just buying an award ticket with miles may cost less. Your experience, of course, can always vary depending on the dates you are looking to go.
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Thanks everyone. The H fare was very reasonable (less than 900 each way for July 4th weekend, nonstop flights, etc) TATL on delta metal. And I have gift cards (150 per ticket) to use on top of it. The mileage tix in D1 are 225k right now one way so 60k isn't bad. So it was worth it to try but the supervisor told me no upgrade eligibility both from the fare class and also for lack of upgrade space. I guess I can keep trying to see if something opens up.
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Thanks everyone. The H fare was very reasonable (less than 900 each way for July 4th weekend, nonstop flights, etc) TATL on delta metal. And I have gift cards (150 per ticket) to use on top of it. The mileage tix in D1 are 225k right now one way so 60k isn't bad. So it was worth it to try but the supervisor told me no upgrade eligibility both from the fare class and also for lack of upgrade space. I guess I can keep trying to see if something opens up.
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The agent is wrong about eligibility. When you call back, I suspect you will get a different answer. You don't need H fares... you can go all the way down to K for the same amount of miles, assuming those K fares are actually available this close in.
As far as lack of availability... not much you can do about that.
As far as lack of availability... not much you can do about that.
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The agent is wrong about eligibility. When you call back, I suspect you will get a different answer. You don't need H fares... you can go all the way down to K for the same amount of miles, assuming those K fares are actually available this close in.
As far as lack of availability... not much you can do about that.
As far as lack of availability... not much you can do about that.
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Even if there are 3 D1 seats left, it's unlikely they would release them for upgrade before the gate. Which is unfortunate for people who want to use miles to upgrade, since per the rules (and sometimes the rules can be broken) mileage upgrade requests do not get transferred to the airport upgrade list. Either you have to clear in advance or not at all, unless you find employees willing to break the rules for you and transfer your upgrade request to the airport list.
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Thanks. I'll check out k fares. I spoke to an agent and then the supervisor who insisted it wasn't eligible. Ugh. Do we think they might open up the upgrade inventory? It looks like there is only one unassigned D1 seat on the map but they were selling at least 3 award seats for 225k. Flight is 10 days out.