LAX-DCA,BOS-SFO become Delta One flights
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I just meant the premium service. DL couldn't make JFK-SEA D1 work with only 3 flights a day and no meaningful competition, and the BOS-SFO numbers are in the same ballpark (IIRC) as JFK-SEA.
If anything, this seems like the capacity dumping that the legacies used to do to prevent LCCs like B6 from gaining market share, just for premium seats now instead.
If anything, this seems like the capacity dumping that the legacies used to do to prevent LCCs like B6 from gaining market share, just for premium seats now instead.
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I just meant the premium service. DL couldn't make JFK-SEA D1 work with only 3 flights a day and no meaningful competition, and the BOS-SFO numbers are in the same ballpark (IIRC) as JFK-SEA.
If anything, this seems like the capacity dumping that the legacies used to do to prevent LCCs like B6 from gaining market share, just for premium seats now instead.
If anything, this seems like the capacity dumping that the legacies used to do to prevent LCCs like B6 from gaining market share, just for premium seats now instead.
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again, before make 3-4-5+ posts about an aircraft not doing something I would take 5 seconds to google it. Or don't and then have people tell you that you are wrong, whatever floats your boat.
(seems like a waste of posts to me, JMO)
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Where in any of that did it say anything about regularly scheduled?
Good lord, read all of the exchange between he/she and FlyerCO.
again, before make 3-4-5+ posts about an aircraft not doing something I would take 5 seconds to google it. Or don't and then have people tell you that you are wrong, whatever floats your boat.
(seems like a waste of posts to me, JMO)
Good lord, read all of the exchange between he/she and FlyerCO.
again, before make 3-4-5+ posts about an aircraft not doing something I would take 5 seconds to google it. Or don't and then have people tell you that you are wrong, whatever floats your boat.
(seems like a waste of posts to me, JMO)
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I just meant the premium service. DL couldn't make JFK-SEA D1 work with only 3 flights a day and no meaningful competition, and the BOS-SFO numbers are in the same ballpark (IIRC) as JFK-SEA.
If anything, this seems like the capacity dumping that the legacies used to do to prevent LCCs like B6 from gaining market share, just for premium seats now instead.
If anything, this seems like the capacity dumping that the legacies used to do to prevent LCCs like B6 from gaining market share, just for premium seats now instead.
1) My understanding is that BOS-SFO sees something like 50% more pax than JFK-SEA does.
2) I think the discussion of "tech" as a driver of BOS-SFO is a bit misleading. Tech, as in IT companies, tend to be more parsimonious about travel than what might be classified as tech finance (e.g. VCs and private equity) and biotech (e.g. large molecule pharma companies). I mean, the biggest (IT) tech company in Boston does not allow J (or even W) travel, even if you are going to India, so I doubt DL is counting on them to be buying $2k+ J tickets to fly to SFO. SEA, not being a center for VCs and biotech like BOS or SFO, likely tracks the more frugal IT model.
3) Regarding UA, specifically, there is probably a fair amount of premium cabin traffic that is driven by connections to TPAC destinations, something JFK-SEA didn't have to a comparable degree.
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DCA is an airport that's too popular for its own good. Widebody service at DCA? It's a tiny airport!
You sometimes hear people say insane stuff along the lines of 'who needs Dulles when we have DCA'. Growth potential at Reagan is not far from being maxed out. That airport will never handle international traffic (Canada doesn't count) or regularly scheduled widebodies for that matter.
You sometimes hear people say insane stuff along the lines of 'who needs Dulles when we have DCA'. Growth potential at Reagan is not far from being maxed out. That airport will never handle international traffic (Canada doesn't count) or regularly scheduled widebodies for that matter.
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Making significant and major improvements to the quality of the product is hardly "bad news" / "keep descending".
Will there be winners? Yes, virtually all of those that buy premium fares whom will now have a far superior product and offering.
Will there be losers? I'm sure there will be a few DM's that occasionally scored a free upgrade on the existing domestic F product.
But for Delta to make a significant upgrade to the quality of the product, and charge accordingly for it, is hardly "keep descending".
Will there be winners? Yes, virtually all of those that buy premium fares whom will now have a far superior product and offering.
Will there be losers? I'm sure there will be a few DM's that occasionally scored a free upgrade on the existing domestic F product.
But for Delta to make a significant upgrade to the quality of the product, and charge accordingly for it, is hardly "keep descending".
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For once I have great timing. I booked LAX-DCA in F back in February for an August flight. At the time it was going for just $502. The prices have gone way up since this announcement. I'm very much looking forward to the trip now.
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3) Regarding UA, specifically, there is probably a fair amount of premium cabin traffic that is driven by connections to TPAC destinations, something JFK-SEA didn't have to a comparable degree.
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I can only hope that D1 is viable and that the numbers bear out that the carriers left a lot of money on the table over the years by offering 737/57/A319/20 transcon service.
With DL entering the market, you'll have three carriers with lie-flat service: B6, DL, and UA. You'll have two carriers offering their premium transcon service: B6 and DL; three if UA makes this a 'ps' service. Then add in AS/VX who will presumably continue with an SFO flight ex-BOS. That's a lot of premium capacity. It will be interesting to see if AA enters the fray; highly unlikely for SFO, but possibly for LAX.
With DL entering the market, you'll have three carriers with lie-flat service: B6, DL, and UA. You'll have two carriers offering their premium transcon service: B6 and DL; three if UA makes this a 'ps' service. Then add in AS/VX who will presumably continue with an SFO flight ex-BOS. That's a lot of premium capacity. It will be interesting to see if AA enters the fray; highly unlikely for SFO, but possibly for LAX.
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Looks like they're going around calling every medallion member booked on these flights and telling them they have the option to change your itinerary to upgrade eligible flights within 2 weeks from the call....
I just got one and was told they are calling everybody, which I find really funny since I'm a lowly FO
I just got one and was told they are calling everybody, which I find really funny since I'm a lowly FO
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Looks like they're going around calling every medallion member booked on these flights and telling them they have the option to change your itinerary to upgrade eligible flights within 2 weeks from the call....
I just got one and was told they are calling everybody, which I find really funny since I'm a lowly FO
I just got one and was told they are calling everybody, which I find really funny since I'm a lowly FO