No more Halifax YHZ?
Oct 19, 2016, 6:29 am
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Hi all
This route starts up again in January 17.
I've just booked an SYD-YHZ-SYD for nth American summer 2017. QF J via LAX/JFK then DL F JFK-YHZ.
Could somebody please tell me which terminal DL leaves from for its YHZ flights from JFK. DL in Sydney tell me its T2 TA tells me T4.
It's a 4 hour layover so I'd also like to ask about the lounge I'll have access to at JFK(in either T 2 or 4)
AA used to fly this route direct and pulled out which meant it was a no brainer for QF pax. One now has to fly UA from EWR (which is just too complicated when arriving into JFK or tolerate a stopover in Boston, Toronto etc en route to YHZ which means 2-3 flights!)
What sort of service should I expect from DL on board in F at those terrible hours? The website says "no meal service" which for a spoilt QF FF is a let down.
PS whats it like transiting to T2/4 from a QF arrival into T7.
Thanks in advance
This route starts up again in January 17.
I've just booked an SYD-YHZ-SYD for nth American summer 2017. QF J via LAX/JFK then DL F JFK-YHZ.
Could somebody please tell me which terminal DL leaves from for its YHZ flights from JFK. DL in Sydney tell me its T2 TA tells me T4.
It's a 4 hour layover so I'd also like to ask about the lounge I'll have access to at JFK(in either T 2 or 4)
AA used to fly this route direct and pulled out which meant it was a no brainer for QF pax. One now has to fly UA from EWR (which is just too complicated when arriving into JFK or tolerate a stopover in Boston, Toronto etc en route to YHZ which means 2-3 flights!)
What sort of service should I expect from DL on board in F at those terrible hours? The website says "no meal service" which for a spoilt QF FF is a let down.
PS whats it like transiting to T2/4 from a QF arrival into T7.
Thanks in advance
Oct 19, 2016, 11:47 am
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You should enjoy the pre-flight beverage. After that, wheels up to wheels down can't be much over an hour. Three clock hours, but the rest is taxiing and the time change.
Oct 19, 2016, 4:52 pm
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Glad to see some service returning. I have family scattered around the Maritimes near YHZ/YQM/YYG and it's always such a pain to get there. Not sure why, but US-based carriers have really pulled back in recent years, abandoning all service to the latter two airports in that part of the region. (UA was the last holdout at YQM, serving EWR). I'm not sure if there are macroeconomic factors in play (currency or local economic conditions) or what. Anyone have any insights?
Anyway, I always assume that I'd have to fly AC (either expensively or on UA miles) to get there, and that usually bears out.
Anyway, I always assume that I'd have to fly AC (either expensively or on UA miles) to get there, and that usually bears out.
Oct 19, 2016, 11:24 pm
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Oct 19, 2016, 11:42 pm
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You'll likely be able to get in at least a couple rounds of drinks after the pre-flight, plus a pass or two of the aforementioned snack basket. No, the FA's will not simply ignore you after departure. The flight will likely be about 90 minutes in the air, so I think you'll survive. I'm not aware of anyone who treats trans-border US-CA flights any differently than a domestic flights in terms of on-board amenities (however, it does provide for lounge access when flying F). Given that US airlines are rather aggressively pricing domestic F these days, I don't really see it as that surprising or outrageous that they don't serve a hot meal on a 90 minute flight.
Oct 19, 2016, 11:57 pm
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You'll likely be able to get in at least a couple rounds of drinks after the pre-flight, plus a pass or two of the aforementioned snack basket. No, the FA's will not simply ignore you after departure. The flight will likely be about 90 minutes in the air, so I think you'll survive. I'm not aware of anyone who treats trans-border US-CA flights any differently than a domestic flights in terms of on-board amenities (however, it does provide for lounge access when flying F). Given that US airlines are rather aggressively pricing domestic F these days, I don't really see it as that surprising or outrageous that they don't serve a hot meal on a 90 minute flight.
Btw, they won't serve alcohol while on the ground in Canada (ie, no pre-flight beverage on the return). Once airborne it's ok (even if flying in Canadian airspace)
Oct 20, 2016, 12:20 am
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A lot of airlines won't serve alcohol on the ground in another country. The issue is that the alcohol hasn't been taxed. Once in the air, applicable treaties prevent the taxation issue. On the ground though they're bound by local law.
Oct 20, 2016, 2:14 pm
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Oct 20, 2016, 2:16 pm
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Oct 20, 2016, 2:19 pm
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Oct 20, 2016, 3:45 pm
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You'll likely be able to get in at least a couple rounds of drinks after the pre-flight, plus a pass or two of the aforementioned snack basket. No, the FA's will not simply ignore you after departure. The flight will likely be about 90 minutes in the air, so I think you'll survive. I'm not aware of anyone who treats trans-border US-CA flights any differently than a domestic flights in terms of on-board amenities (however, it does provide for lounge access when flying F). Given that US airlines are rather aggressively pricing domestic F these days, I don't really see it as that surprising or outrageous that they don't serve a hot meal on a 90 minute flight.
See pics of Qantas Dash 8 all Y regional service offerings and compare to DL 'F'.....hmmmm y'all missing out somewhat
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=p...lmGxI9-5AcM%3A
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Oct 20, 2016, 5:41 pm
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No doubt, but it's apparently where market forces have taken us, so we just have to find a way to survive.
Oct 20, 2016, 5:48 pm
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Oct 20, 2016, 7:33 pm
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If they have no idea how to offer a proper 'F' then why not downgrade? Perhaps call it premium economy, or the like, if there is no service-just the space. Then reasonable 'F' service expectations aren't there from spoilt Aussies
. Then again F in Nth America is a glorified Y+ or J at best from my experience with AA anyway. I'm guessing most other Nth American carriers fare the same?
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