Filing Complaint
#16
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The US Postal Service will appreciate the extra $0.49 help in reducing its deficit. All that happens with that extraneous snail mail is that it gets routed to the same CRM database which you access by webform online. It just gets delayed by a couple of weeks from the mail room to the scanner.
What does happen is that somewhere, somebody notes that the # of complaints about UG's has taken a jump and looks at the metrics of who is complaining (what do those people spend).
You will get some miles and a cut & paste response even if you say that's not what you want (evidence that nobody really reads these things), be even more infuriated, and DL will continue so long as its shareholders are happy. They are currently very, very happy.
What does happen is that somewhere, somebody notes that the # of complaints about UG's has taken a jump and looks at the metrics of who is complaining (what do those people spend).
You will get some miles and a cut & paste response even if you say that's not what you want (evidence that nobody really reads these things), be even more infuriated, and DL will continue so long as its shareholders are happy. They are currently very, very happy.
#17
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The primary purpose of a complaint letter to Delta is to get it off your chest and move on with your life. Expect nothing and you may be surprised if you get some miles in return. Delta's current profitability and market share is proof positive that generally they get it right from a business perspective and they expect to generate a few casualties along the way.
In my recent crushing disappointment, I already had the e-mail waiting for me when I got home saying 'Sorry, here's some miles...". I still sent the appropriate "you're all a bunch of .......s" e-mail anyway, felt better and moved on with my life.
They like your business, but they don't need it.
In my recent crushing disappointment, I already had the e-mail waiting for me when I got home saying 'Sorry, here's some miles...". I still sent the appropriate "you're all a bunch of .......s" e-mail anyway, felt better and moved on with my life.
They like your business, but they don't need it.
#18
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Yep, Delta these days makes Spirit look like customer service gurus.
I am at Delta HQ fairly often. While most workers are dismayed at the corporate attitude, they have even grown to accept it.
Basically, their attitude is they are making a ton of cash. Nothing else matters. And if demand falls off, they park some planes and still make a ton of cash. Just a bit less.
I am at Delta HQ fairly often. While most workers are dismayed at the corporate attitude, they have even grown to accept it.
Basically, their attitude is they are making a ton of cash. Nothing else matters. And if demand falls off, they park some planes and still make a ton of cash. Just a bit less.
#19
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The second time, the woman in the baggage claim office handed me a card and said something along the lines of, "email them and they'll give you some SkyMiles for your inconvenience." I snapped at her and let her know how insulting she was. She learned that most of us don't want SMs, we want the issue corrected
As with many of these cases, it would be interesting to hear the other side, but that will never happen.
#20
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And by snapping, I don't mean loud or angry. I mean precise, clipped speech. No cursing or histrionics, just a few well place words letting her know she just insulted a customer, her assumptions are flat out wrong and she should watch how she treats customers. Her reply was that she was saying what she was told to say, so I asked if she was told to tell us we would get SMs and, if so, I wanted to talk to her supervisor to let him/her know that is rude. She apologized and asked that we not get her supervisor.
FWIW, I'm not forwarding the complaint because I don't want SMs and I know the underlying issue will not be addressed.
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#22
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Yep, Delta these days makes Spirit look like customer service gurus.
I am at Delta HQ fairly often. While most workers are dismayed at the corporate attitude, they have even grown to accept it.
Basically, their attitude is they are making a ton of cash. Nothing else matters. And if demand falls off, they park some planes and still make a ton of cash. Just a bit less.
I am at Delta HQ fairly often. While most workers are dismayed at the corporate attitude, they have even grown to accept it.
Basically, their attitude is they are making a ton of cash. Nothing else matters. And if demand falls off, they park some planes and still make a ton of cash. Just a bit less.
One thing to remember is that air travel seems to make people very emotional for some reason. I've seen so many adults throwing childish tantrums over things that are clearly out of the airline's control that I now take every complaint I read with a grain of salt. There are certainly valid complaints, but there are nine silly, overblown complaints floating around on the internet for every real one.
#23
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Snapping at a customer service rep is a bad move 100% of the time. There is literally nothing that can be gained from it. I guarantee you that the actual outcome of what happens is that she was annoyed, and she probably went out for a drink after work and told her friends that she dealt with a jerk at work. If you wanted her to actually listen to what you said, then you shouldn't have snapped at her.
#24
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Somewhere on the DL website, perhaps in the area with their PR releases, there's a link to a page with all of the executives (IIRC called leaders) listed with their titles, about fifty names. It should be easy to identify the correct functional area for your issues. The Chris Eliott site should also show the email convention DL uses, so that if you know the name, you can figure out their email address.
With some companies, you can call the general corporate headquarters switchboard and ask for the name, business mailing address, phone number, and email of any executive by (approximate) title.
The Points Guy (major FF etc. blog) might also have lists of comtact information for airline compalint escalation people. Another source for DL specifically would be the Renes [sic] Points blog.
With some companies, you can call the general corporate headquarters switchboard and ask for the name, business mailing address, phone number, and email of any executive by (approximate) title.
The Points Guy (major FF etc. blog) might also have lists of comtact information for airline compalint escalation people. Another source for DL specifically would be the Renes [sic] Points blog.
#25
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Snapping at a customer service rep is a bad move 100% of the time. There is literally nothing that can be gained from it. I guarantee you that the actual outcome of what happens is that she was annoyed, and she probably went out for a drink after work and told her friends that she dealt with a jerk at work.
She had already dismissed me. She was not interested in anything I had to say. Snapping at her at that point was no harm, no foul.
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Snail mail gets more attention than anything else. (Well, OK, a lawsuit gets the most attention, but . . .)
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#28
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I'm not saying that executives shouldn't read or handle customer complaints. I'm saying that you're not likely to get the desired response blasting an executive through an inappropriate channel.
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Many top executives have a department to handle complaints that are sent to them. This department is generally a lot more effective than the standard customer service department.
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