Aug 9, 2016, 11:00 pm
Last edit by: LoganFlyer
Delta's Operational move from T5 to T2/3 at LAX:
Delta has moved to: T2 and T3 with eventual connector to TBIT (note: there is currently only airside bus service to stay securely between T2 & T3, the walking connector has not been built yet.)
Where to check bags: As of January 13, 2020, non-Sky Priority customers must check their bag(s) at the terminal their flight departs from, unless their flight departs from TBIT, in which case, they must check their bag at Terminal 2. Sky priority customers can check their bag at either terminal. See this link for more information.
Date(s) of move: May 12, 2017 - May 17, 2017
Here is a helpful chart from Delta which covers all Domestic / Int'l. transfer combos (AND TOTAL TRANSFER TIMES) between T2, T3 & TBIT.
New Bus Routes will help with connections:
- Circular Airfield Bus between TBIT, T2 and T3
- Airfield Bus between T2 and T3
Bus Map
Will there be a SkyClub: Yes, there is one in each terminal. Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse will remain.
- The SkyClub in T2 opened on May 20th (Former AC Maple Leaf Lounge)
pix in post 1058
- The SkyClub in T3 opened on May 24th (Former VX Loft)
https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...d-updates.html
Where Will The Delta One Check In Lounge Be Located:
In T2, there is a small Delta One seating area with refreshments. An agent will escort you from the check in/lounge area through a back pathway up stairs to TSA precheck. Its a shorter walk to check-in at SkyPriority and easier if you have a carry on and don't want to drag it up a flight of stairs. 11/3/17)
Airlines joining DL in T2/3 for landside and departures:
- AeroMexico (T2)
- Virgin Atlantic (T2)
- WestJet (T3)
Landside T2 only, departures from TBIT:
- Virgin Australia
- Volaris
Landside T3 only, departures from TBIT:
- Avianca/Taca
- Copa (effective April 7)
- InterJet
Will there be secure links between T2-T3 and TBIT: Yes, the final plan is to let pax walk between all airside.
External Links:
Press Release: http://news.delta.com/delta-relocate...rough-19b-plan
Rough link showing T2/3 connector:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmrq1UEAEUiF3.jpg
Proposed schedule from LAWA presentation:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmMDLVUAA1vNM.jpg
Delta fact sheet:
http://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/LA...ease-Delta.pdf
Delta's LAX destination page featuring 'Delta Sky Way at LAX':
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...-terminal.html
Delta has moved to: T2 and T3 with eventual connector to TBIT (note: there is currently only airside bus service to stay securely between T2 & T3, the walking connector has not been built yet.)
Where to check bags: As of January 13, 2020, non-Sky Priority customers must check their bag(s) at the terminal their flight departs from, unless their flight departs from TBIT, in which case, they must check their bag at Terminal 2. Sky priority customers can check their bag at either terminal. See this link for more information.
Date(s) of move: May 12, 2017 - May 17, 2017
Here is a helpful chart from Delta which covers all Domestic / Int'l. transfer combos (AND TOTAL TRANSFER TIMES) between T2, T3 & TBIT.
New Bus Routes will help with connections:
- Circular Airfield Bus between TBIT, T2 and T3
- Airfield Bus between T2 and T3
Bus Map
Will there be a SkyClub: Yes, there is one in each terminal. Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse will remain.
- The SkyClub in T2 opened on May 20th (Former AC Maple Leaf Lounge)
pix in post 1058
- The SkyClub in T3 opened on May 24th (Former VX Loft)
https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...d-updates.html
Where Will The Delta One Check In Lounge Be Located:
Delta will temporarily offer dedicated check-in space in Terminal 2 (first door closest to T1) while a long-term Delta One experience is finalized.
Airlines joining DL in T2/3 for landside and departures:
- AeroMexico (T2)
- Virgin Atlantic (T2)
- WestJet (T3)
Landside T2 only, departures from TBIT:
- Virgin Australia
- Volaris
Landside T3 only, departures from TBIT:
- Avianca/Taca
- Copa (effective April 7)
- InterJet
Will there be secure links between T2-T3 and TBIT: Yes, the final plan is to let pax walk between all airside.
External Links:
Press Release: http://news.delta.com/delta-relocate...rough-19b-plan
Rough link showing T2/3 connector:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmrq1UEAEUiF3.jpg
Proposed schedule from LAWA presentation:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmMDLVUAA1vNM.jpg
Delta fact sheet:
http://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/LA...ease-Delta.pdf
Delta's LAX destination page featuring 'Delta Sky Way at LAX':
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...-terminal.html
LAX 2017 Terminal Move: The Definitive Thread
Jan 11, 2016, 2:21 pm
#61
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I don't care about making things better for some AA flights at LAX.
What I do not want to happen is for DL to share a terminal/TSA security checkpoints with budget carriers. Budget airlines tend to create a mess with long lines and lots of people overflowing from gates, thereby crowding the concourses.
What I do not want to happen is for DL to share a terminal/TSA security checkpoints with budget carriers. Budget airlines tend to create a mess with long lines and lots of people overflowing from gates, thereby crowding the concourses.
Cranky Flier's post today has much more plausible current and proposed future maps. In this proposal, which I think is at least plausible, DL would have its own (built more or less new) terminals 2 and 3, so this DYKWIA concern would be addressed anyway.
Construction in the meantime may not be fun, but what else is new at LAX? And for DL, the construction would presumably be on the other side of the airport until they move.
Given that DL reportedly spent only $11M out of their pocket on the T5 renovation, putting real money into a completely new terminal also sounds plausible.
It's a good thing DL worked so hard over the years to help open up the T4-T5 tunnel which will now allow their customers to reach TBIT airside without a shuttle.
Jan 11, 2016, 2:25 pm
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Also I don't think there is an airside connector to T4 anymore. Didn't that close some time ago??
Jan 11, 2016, 2:26 pm
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Good lord, who do you think you are? AA's spread all across the airport is a mess that provides opportunity to make things better for everybody (certainly both AA and DL and their customers), which this proposed rejiggering of terminals seems to do. Particularly, adding gates could allow DL to grow in a way they can't at T5/T6.
Cranky Flier's post today has much more plausible current and proposed future maps. In this proposal, which I think is at least plausible, DL would have its own (built more or less new) terminals 2 and 3, so this DYKWIA concern would be addressed anyway.
Construction in the meantime may not be fun, but what else is new at LAX? And for DL, the construction would presumably be on the other side of the airport until they move.
Given that DL reportedly spent only $11M out of their pocket on the T5 renovation, putting real money into a completely new terminal also sounds plausible.
Of course, that T5 to TBIT walk will be airside in a few months when the T4-TBIT connector opens. I can't imagine they'd build a mostly-new T2/T3 that doesn't include an airside T3-TBIT connector. Although maybe I underestimate LAX's ability to make things a mess.
It's a good thing DL worked so hard over the years to help open up the T4-T5 tunnel which will now allow their customers to reach TBIT airside without a shuttle.
Cranky Flier's post today has much more plausible current and proposed future maps. In this proposal, which I think is at least plausible, DL would have its own (built more or less new) terminals 2 and 3, so this DYKWIA concern would be addressed anyway.
Construction in the meantime may not be fun, but what else is new at LAX? And for DL, the construction would presumably be on the other side of the airport until they move.
Given that DL reportedly spent only $11M out of their pocket on the T5 renovation, putting real money into a completely new terminal also sounds plausible.
Of course, that T5 to TBIT walk will be airside in a few months when the T4-TBIT connector opens. I can't imagine they'd build a mostly-new T2/T3 that doesn't include an airside T3-TBIT connector. Although maybe I underestimate LAX's ability to make things a mess.
It's a good thing DL worked so hard over the years to help open up the T4-T5 tunnel which will now allow their customers to reach TBIT airside without a shuttle.
Jan 11, 2016, 2:39 pm
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Jan 11, 2016, 2:48 pm
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Isn't it the T5-T6 Tunnel? Also at best this isn't going to be done until 2020. Be a shame to make their passengers re-clear security for 5 extra years (at least) until T2/T3 is ready...and with airports, multiple airlines, and LA there is like a 10,000% that the 2020 date is pushed back at least once.
Jan 11, 2016, 3:07 pm
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Agreed. That proposal dates back to former LA Mayor Hahn (Alternative D) and is extremely unlikely to ever be built. Along with the destruction of the parking garages and the single linear terminal to replace 1-3, passengers would check-in at a remote facility a mile away and then transit to the terminals on a sterile tram. Odds of that ever happening? Probably zero.
The long term vision LAWA has for LAX involves converting the garages in CTA to co-located check-in facilities (TBIT style) attached to the APM stations - as illustrated. The existing check-in areas in the terminals will be converted to more air-side facilities (e.g. bigger lounge, more dining/retail space). Basically, the terminals as we know it today (e.g. T4, T5, T6 etc) will eventually be converted to just concourses like TBIT concourses. The ticketing and check-in will be moved to where the parking garages are today.
Jan 11, 2016, 4:34 pm
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Isn't it the T5-T6 Tunnel? Also at best this isn't going to be done until 2020. Be a shame to make their passengers re-clear security for 5 extra years (at least) until T2/T3 is ready...and with airports, multiple airlines, and LA there is like a 10,000% that the 2020 date is pushed back at least once.
But the T6-T5-T4 tunnels certainly stay open. And I think the latest date for the T4-Bradley airside bridge is April '16. So TBIT the security reclear issue is soon gone.
Jan 11, 2016, 4:44 pm
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...The long term vision LAWA has for LAX involves converting the garages in CTA to co-located check-in facilities (TBIT style) attached to the APM stations - as illustrated. The existing check-in areas in the terminals will be converted to more air-side facilities (e.g. bigger lounge, more dining/retail space). Basically, the terminals as we know it today (e.g. T4, T5, T6 etc) will eventually be converted to just concourses like TBIT concourses. The ticketing and check-in will be moved to where the parking garages are today.
It certainly gives LAX much needed space. But since they are legally prohibited from adding gates, that is only a marginal gain.
It dose make LAX a better hub.
BUT, it makes it far worse for local O/D traffic. Instead of parking in the middle and getting quickly to the gates, they will park remote and either take some tram system or use shuttle buses to the new central terminals. And then walk over to the concourses.
So, a 10B project on something that helps me, but not local residents? Colour me skeptical.
Jan 11, 2016, 6:35 pm
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I guess the difference is that LAX and JFK were built primarily to serve their own cities' O/D traffic, whereas the others were purpose-built as hubs.
If I'm leaving the airport at LAX, it's actually nice to only have to walk by 5 or 6 gates and be on the street. That's not possible when I arrive home at ATL, but ATL exists for a different purpose and I realize that the configuration at ATL allows me to be able to travel non-stop to hundreds of different destinations on a single carrier.
Now if you are connecting at LAX/JFK particularly to another carrier, then the separate terminals configuration makes it much more of a hassle than it would otherwise, but that's a smaller percentage of the operations there.
If I'm leaving the airport at LAX, it's actually nice to only have to walk by 5 or 6 gates and be on the street. That's not possible when I arrive home at ATL, but ATL exists for a different purpose and I realize that the configuration at ATL allows me to be able to travel non-stop to hundreds of different destinations on a single carrier.
Now if you are connecting at LAX/JFK particularly to another carrier, then the separate terminals configuration makes it much more of a hassle than it would otherwise, but that's a smaller percentage of the operations there.
Jan 12, 2016, 1:46 pm
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I understand what that plan is, but I do not see it happening in the next several decades.
It certainly gives LAX much needed space. But since they are legally prohibited from adding gates, that is only a marginal gain.
It dose make LAX a better hub.
BUT, it makes it far worse for local O/D traffic. Instead of parking in the middle and getting quickly to the gates, they will park remote and either take some tram system or use shuttle buses to the new central terminals. And then walk over to the concourses.
So, a 10B project on something that helps me, but not local residents? Colour me skeptical.
It certainly gives LAX much needed space. But since they are legally prohibited from adding gates, that is only a marginal gain.
It dose make LAX a better hub.
BUT, it makes it far worse for local O/D traffic. Instead of parking in the middle and getting quickly to the gates, they will park remote and either take some tram system or use shuttle buses to the new central terminals. And then walk over to the concourses.
So, a 10B project on something that helps me, but not local residents? Colour me skeptical.
But I'm a local and when I go to LAX, I prefer to be dropped off just outside the airport and walk in. And it's almost always faster to meet someone just outside the airport (e.g. cell phone waiting lot or In-N-Out) than wait for them to circle the airport to the South side. The inefficient roadway design involves double circulation of shuttles (departure first, then arrival) around the airport and contributes to significant traffic congestion. It can take 30 minutes just to get to the south side terminals by car during rush hour. Eliminating short term parking and moving most of the shuttle curb side drop off/pick up from CTA coupled with a fast and efficient APM will greatly enhance the experience of using LAX.
Regarding gates... the gate ceiling expires in 2020. But LAX doesn't really need that much more gates. It does need more air-side space in most of the terminals. Moving land-side facilities to a central building makes sense.
Last edited by bzcat; Jan 12, 2016 at 1:52 pm
Apr 18, 2016, 11:10 am
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A map of what the relocation is looking like
Brian Sumers, an aviation journalist, is out with new information on what the relocation might look like:
http://www.briansumers.com/home/2016...d-3-eventually
In short, Delta could move before the renovation starts (presumably to get access to more gates) and then renovate as it goes. It could also wind up with a big chunk of gates in exchange for financing some airlines moving around. Here's the airport mockup. Presumably some of the international carriers go to TBIT, and some Delta partners, WS, VS, VA, perhaps others, stick around at T2/T3 and help fill the 22-27 gates it would now control, up from 16 today. That opens up possibly 100 more flights a day for Delta.
http://www.briansumers.com/home/2016...d-3-eventually
In short, Delta could move before the renovation starts (presumably to get access to more gates) and then renovate as it goes. It could also wind up with a big chunk of gates in exchange for financing some airlines moving around. Here's the airport mockup. Presumably some of the international carriers go to TBIT, and some Delta partners, WS, VS, VA, perhaps others, stick around at T2/T3 and help fill the 22-27 gates it would now control, up from 16 today. That opens up possibly 100 more flights a day for Delta.
Apr 18, 2016, 1:01 pm
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DL could theoretically move into 2/3 but already paid a pretty hefty amount to renovate their current facilities and I'm not sure they'ed appreciate B6/AS taking free advantage of that! They might eat the cost to get more gates but otherwise I'd imagine they'ed want a pretty sweetheart deal.
Apr 18, 2016, 1:05 pm
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Personally I think they need to build an off site pax drop off/pick up site a few blocks away that is totally modernized with very easy access, and have tram that brings people there. Curbside should be reserved taxis and shuttles.