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Old Jul 10, 2016, 5:48 pm
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Delta rolls out schedule changes pretty much every Saturday, though the scope/impact can vary. During this time, seat maps may be locked out, may show the wrong aircraft layout, etc. while changes are occurring. If you are not traveling immediately, FT conventional wisdom is to wait until Sunday (or even Monday in the case of major schedule adjustments where things take longer) for things to settle down, then take stock of your upcoming itineraries to see what changes have occurred and what changes/refunds you may be entitled to.

You are entitled to a full refund to original form of payment, even for a ticket that was purchased as a non-refundable ticket, if any of the following occur as a result of schedule change:
  • departure or arrival delay of 2hrs or more
  • increase in the number of flight segments (non-stop to connecting, 1-stop to 2-stop, etc.)
  • change resulting in a connection below the Minimum Connection Time for a given airport (do a Google search for "site:flyertalk.com minimum connecting time XXX" with the airport code to find the relevant thread if one exists)
  • any change in operating carrier, i.e. operated by Delta mainline before the schedule change and Delta Connection after the change
    • it is also a commonly-held belief that a change from Delta Connection to mainline, or from one Delta Connection carrier to a different Delta Connection carrier, also qualifies for a full refund -- if anyone has documentation of this, a link would be great...

The airline would rather keep your money than refund it, so they will frequently accept any vaguely reasonable rerouting that you propose. This includes, by policy, changing origin and/or destination within 100 miles, rebooking +/- two days, and changing outbound/return date to keep the length of the trip the same post-rebooking.

If none of the above conditions for a refund is true, you may still be entitled to a free change -- in your trip summary there will be a notice about changes/refunds, and per the "conditions apply" popup link in that text:

If a Delta schedule or routing change has delayed your departure or arrival by more than one hour, you may be eligible to select an alternate flight at no additional charge. Note that the below conditions may apply:
  • Your origin, destination and travel date must remain the same
  • Alternate flights must be available, and you can only modify once as subsequent changes may result in additional fees
  • Voluntary changes to other flights not impacted by a Delta schedule change may result in additional fees
If possible, you may wish to try modifying your flights online first -- there have been data points where the site allowed a free rebooking even though it did not technically fall into the above categories. NOTE however that self-rebooking online is known not to work if you have (1) any trip involving upgrade certificates (whether cleared or not), (2) if you have self-upgraded by picking an upgraded seat that said FREE (instead of waiting for the automated upgrade system sweep to reseat you in an upgraded seat), this seems to inhibit self-rebooking as well.

Otherwise, suggested best practice is to research your preferred alternative rebooking beforehand (whether DL flight search, Google Flights, ITA Matrix etc.) so that you can speak with an agent already knowing what you want, and ask for it; this will be much more efficient than having an agent find alternatives for you.

Other notes/FAQs:
  • Even if you voluntarily choose a preferred rebooking, you have a high likelihood of success claiming Original Routing Credit since the original reason for the change was involuntary.
  • If you booked through a travel agency, including online travel agencies (OTA) such as Expedia, Chase Ultimate Rewards, etc. you will have to contact them, not Delta, to request rerouting if the automatic rebooking is not satisfactory to you.
    • There have been reports of an agency insisting that a change of 2 hours was required (per the "pro" site) for a free change, even though the popup on the DL site says 1 hour
    • You can sometimes get Delta to take over a travel agency ticket; this is subject to a $50 fee to take over the ticket, although sometimes agents decline to collect it
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Old Jul 9, 2016, 2:19 pm
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Originally Posted by michael_v
Today's changes seem to take longer than usual. I can see which flights have changes, but cannot see what the changes are yet. Anyone else notice this?
Had a nasty 3 hour time change. The rep was first asking to charge me then I mentioned for a 3 hour change? Then the tone quickly changed.
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Old Jul 9, 2016, 3:29 pm
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Originally Posted by michael_v
Today's changes seem to take longer than usual. I can see which flights have changes, but cannot see what the changes are yet. Anyone else notice this?
Same for me. The return of a trip has schedule changes on both legs. The first leg has been cleaned up, but not the second.

Also, on the outbound, it's really weird. I'm supposed to be flying AZO-DTW-LAS with roughly an hour in DTW. The outbound now says "multi-city" with AZO-DTW and DTW-LAS, even though nothing has changed on those flights (already happened a couple of weeks ago). I'm wondering if that's something I need to be concerned about? I've seen that a couple of times before, but only when schedule changes gave me a 4+ hour layover somewhere.
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Old Jul 9, 2016, 3:40 pm
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I have a segment that was moved 1.5 hrs later last week, and then overnight last night change of Connection carrier and downgauged to a CRJ Weirdly, I never saw it show up in red in "My Trips" nor was I prompted to accept the change. Maybe I caught it right after the swap (was reviewing itineraries and noticed I no longer had a seat assignment) and once I selected a seat it figured I'd touched the record or something?

Probably going to end up canceling this ticket but I'm in no rush just yet.

Originally Posted by Taz
Also, on the outbound, it's really weird. I'm supposed to be flying AZO-DTW-LAS with roughly an hour in DTW. The outbound now says "multi-city" with AZO-DTW and DTW-LAS, even though nothing has changed on those flights (already happened a couple of weeks ago). I'm wondering if that's something I need to be concerned about? I've seen that a couple of times before, but only when schedule changes gave me a 4+ hour layover somewhere.
I've seen this occasionally when I have a segment waitlisted for a cert/mileage upgrade, although I'm guessing you aren't burning a cert for DTW-LAS I've also seen it where the system is confused about the "halfway" point. Could be because one of your segments is still in flux. As long as all your flights appear on the ticket as expected, I wouldn't be too worried.

Vaguely related, I have some upcoming trips booked as one-ways and multiple agents have looked at SFO-JFK-BWI and initially interpreted it as an open jaw, referring to SFO-JFK as the "outbound" and JFK-BWI as the "return" (and it's not even a broken fare)
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Old Jul 9, 2016, 4:21 pm
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So... an 8:45am flight from JAC to MSP turned into a 1:40pm flight. But DL hasn't changed our 3pm departure... a -1:40 min connection.
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Old Jul 9, 2016, 7:35 pm
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Glad I just did another check because after catching 3 changes in enough time today to save my seats, I found 3 additional changes to my GRU run in September and this time I lost one of my seats all over just a few minutes changes.

How much must I pay for a D1 ticket to not lose my seat when DL changes a given segment by 3 minutes?
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Old Jul 9, 2016, 8:27 pm
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Originally Posted by BostonPlanesAndTrains
So... an 8:45am flight from JAC to MSP turned into a 1:40pm flight. But DL hasn't changed our 3pm departure... a -1:40 min connection.
I've had that time travel situation also, but found by the end of the weekend, the computer had changed it to another flight. It wasn't what I wanted, but I got a good change to something else so just wait and see what happens.
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Old Jul 9, 2016, 8:31 pm
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I had just booked a flight to LAS through DTW for December earlier this week and today they decided to reduce one flight each day between MCO-DTW. Sure enough it was my flight both times. They gave me the next flight each time which basically switched my 3 hrs going out and 1 hr coming home layovers. Haven't decided what I might want to switch. Get to sleep another 2 hours leaving so that works, but might change the return.
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Old Jul 9, 2016, 11:56 pm
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Originally Posted by miraclebear2003
I had just booked a flight to LAS through DTW for December earlier this week and today they decided to reduce one flight each day between MCO-DTW. Sure enough it was my flight both times. They gave me the next flight each time which basically switched my 3 hrs going out and 1 hr coming home layovers. Haven't decided what I might want to switch. Get to sleep another 2 hours leaving so that works, but might change the return.
If your reason for going through DTW was the MQMs, you could change the routing to MCO-LAX-LAS which would be about the same amount of MQMs as routing via DTW since you get the 500 MQM minimum on LAX-LAS (so about 2700 MQMs) or even MCO-JFK-LAS (approximately 3200 MQMs).
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Old Jul 10, 2016, 9:05 am
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Originally Posted by ATOBTTR
If your reason for going through DTW was the MQMs, you could change the routing to MCO-LAX-LAS which would be about the same amount of MQMs as routing via DTW since you get the 500 MQM minimum on LAX-LAS (so about 2700 MQMs) or even MCO-JFK-LAS (approximately 3200 MQMs).
I know I have a lot of choices on the routing. The main reason for DTW was that it was the cheapest. Also figure if I avoid ATL I have better chance on upgrades. I like the split on time with DTW (or MSP). Went through JFK last year on my trip and the flight to LAS is longer than I like. It's nice having more of a choice now.
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Old Jul 10, 2016, 10:12 am
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Originally Posted by miraclebear2003
I know I have a lot of choices on the routing. The main reason for DTW was that it was the cheapest. Also figure if I avoid ATL I have better chance on upgrades. I like the split on time with DTW (or MSP). Went through JFK last year on my trip and the flight to LAS is longer than I like. It's nice having more of a choice now.
JFK-LAS can be an "easy" upgrade unless a big conference is in town. I have upgraded many times at the window as an FO.
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Old Jul 10, 2016, 12:55 pm
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Originally Posted by mridley2
JFK-LAS can be an "easy" upgrade unless a big conference is in town. I have upgraded many times at the window as an FO.
MCO-JFK has also been a good upgrade. I do this Vegas trip between the rodeo and the holidays when it's quiet and I can get free rooms so it would be good for upgrades also.
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Old Jul 11, 2016, 9:31 am
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Originally Posted by mridley2
JFK-LAS can be an "easy" upgrade unless a big conference is in town. I have upgraded many times at the window as an FO.
I fly this route often and find it to be a very difficult upgrade. I am usually flying JFK-LAS either Thursday or Friday, and back Sunday or Monday. For me it's maybe a bit more than 50% success rate.
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Old Jul 11, 2016, 12:57 pm
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Originally Posted by TrojanTraveler
I fly this route often and find it to be a very difficult upgrade. I am usually flying JFK-LAS either Thursday or Friday, and back Sunday or Monday. For me it's maybe a bit more than 50% success rate.
50% success rate is considered "very difficult" in your book?
What Delta flights are YOU taking? I must be doing this all wrong!
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Old Jul 11, 2016, 1:03 pm
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Originally Posted by mridley2
50% success rate is considered "very difficult" in your book?
What Delta flights are YOU taking? I must be doing this all wrong!
Well, rember, Trojan is a Diamond Mediallion. So he has higher expectations. For him, getting picked up in a Porsche just half the time is disappointing. He expects to always get the upgrade.
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Old Jul 11, 2016, 1:10 pm
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Originally Posted by amanuensis
Well, rember, Trojan is a Diamond Mediallion. So he has higher expectations. For him, getting picked up in a Porsche just half the time is disappointing. He expects to always get the upgrade.
Right! But have never had the Porsche treatment...DL has so many flights out of LGA and JFK that I hardly ever have to connect in the US.

Actually, for a DM, a 50% upgrade rate out of JFK is low. I have a lower success rate for SLC and LAS, than for, say, PHX. LAS has been this way for years. Even the 430pmish flight LAS-JFK I am more often than not travelling in coach.
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