are airlines practicing in Good Faith with FF?
#61
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Allow foreign airlines to carry passengers domestically and see what happens (besides lots of screeching from the US carriers).
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They ought to make their customers happy, but the closer the industry is to a monopoly the less that matters.
At least, until passengers rebel enough to get Congress to give foreign airlines permission to fly within the US.
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But the coach seat and service of that first flight is more similar to first class now.
#67
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I think there are too many elite pax. When everyone's an elite, no one is an elite. They should add more benefits, but make it harder to get elite status:
FO: 40,000 MQMs & $5,000 MQDs - or - 50 MQSs & $5,000 MQDs
GM: 80,000 MQMs & $10,000 MQDs - or - 110 MQSs & $10,000 MQDs
PM: 120,000 MQMs & $15,000 MQDs - or - 140 MQSs & $15,000 MQDs
DM: 180,000 MQMs & $19,000 MQDs - or - 180 MQSs & $19,000 MQDs
The MQD waiver should only apply for FO & GM. PM & DM must meet the MQD requirements.
These are arbitrary numbers, but something like this. It will bring much more exclusivity to the Medallion program, and it will help DL keep benefit costs low so that they can give more benefits to their even more valued customers.
I would prefer something like this instead of keeping the same qualification requirements, but taking away benefits.
FO: 40,000 MQMs & $5,000 MQDs - or - 50 MQSs & $5,000 MQDs
GM: 80,000 MQMs & $10,000 MQDs - or - 110 MQSs & $10,000 MQDs
PM: 120,000 MQMs & $15,000 MQDs - or - 140 MQSs & $15,000 MQDs
DM: 180,000 MQMs & $19,000 MQDs - or - 180 MQSs & $19,000 MQDs
The MQD waiver should only apply for FO & GM. PM & DM must meet the MQD requirements.
These are arbitrary numbers, but something like this. It will bring much more exclusivity to the Medallion program, and it will help DL keep benefit costs low so that they can give more benefits to their even more valued customers.
I would prefer something like this instead of keeping the same qualification requirements, but taking away benefits.
#68
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This is what people seem to miss with miles. They're just like currency, their value has to change due to inflation. What cost 500 miles one year will cost more miles the next. However till recently award levels have basically held steady. I think they may have swung a bit to far correcting, but they did need to catch up.
#69
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Do you actually think that our legislative branch, which already isn't the most efficient, should pass more useless laws to ensure someone gets a free ticket, upgrade or C+ seat? Please promote that idea to your congressman and see how quickly these programs go away. Again, they are voluntary and free and can be cancelled at any time. Then what would people do with all those miles they've been hoarding?
#70
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Because it didn't cost me anything to sign up and I don't pay an annual fee. If your theory is correct, I'm not that concerned because everyone is paying it, not just SM members.
#71
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I think there are too many elite pax. When everyone's an elite, no one is an elite. They should add more benefits, but make it harder to get elite status:
FO: 40,000 MQMs & $5,000 MQDs - or - 50 MQSs & $5,000 MQDs
GM: 80,000 MQMs & $10,000 MQDs - or - 110 MQSs & $10,000 MQDs
PM: 120,000 MQMs & $15,000 MQDs - or - 140 MQSs & $15,000 MQDs
DM: 180,000 MQMs & $19,000 MQDs - or - 180 MQSs & $19,000 MQDs
The MQD waiver should only apply for FO & GM. PM & DM must meet the MQD requirements.
FO: 40,000 MQMs & $5,000 MQDs - or - 50 MQSs & $5,000 MQDs
GM: 80,000 MQMs & $10,000 MQDs - or - 110 MQSs & $10,000 MQDs
PM: 120,000 MQMs & $15,000 MQDs - or - 140 MQSs & $15,000 MQDs
DM: 180,000 MQMs & $19,000 MQDs - or - 180 MQSs & $19,000 MQDs
The MQD waiver should only apply for FO & GM. PM & DM must meet the MQD requirements.
What does it matter if you need to spend 5,000 MQDs for FO or 19,000 MQDs for DM. As long as WECBEC is in effect, elite status means NOTHING.
Want free bag? Get credit card!
Want board early? Get credit card!
#72
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I think there are too many elite pax. When everyone's an elite, no one is an elite. They should add more benefits, but make it harder to get elite status:
FO: 40,000 MQMs & $5,000 MQDs - or - 50 MQSs & $5,000 MQDs
GM: 80,000 MQMs & $10,000 MQDs - or - 110 MQSs & $10,000 MQDs
PM: 120,000 MQMs & $15,000 MQDs - or - 140 MQSs & $15,000 MQDs
DM: 180,000 MQMs & $19,000 MQDs - or - 180 MQSs & $19,000 MQDs
The MQD waiver should only apply for FO & GM. PM & DM must meet the MQD requirements.
These are arbitrary numbers, but something like this. It will bring much more exclusivity to the Medallion program, and it will help DL keep benefit costs low so that they can give more benefits to their even more valued customers.
I would prefer something like this instead of keeping the same qualification requirements, but taking away benefits.
FO: 40,000 MQMs & $5,000 MQDs - or - 50 MQSs & $5,000 MQDs
GM: 80,000 MQMs & $10,000 MQDs - or - 110 MQSs & $10,000 MQDs
PM: 120,000 MQMs & $15,000 MQDs - or - 140 MQSs & $15,000 MQDs
DM: 180,000 MQMs & $19,000 MQDs - or - 180 MQSs & $19,000 MQDs
The MQD waiver should only apply for FO & GM. PM & DM must meet the MQD requirements.
These are arbitrary numbers, but something like this. It will bring much more exclusivity to the Medallion program, and it will help DL keep benefit costs low so that they can give more benefits to their even more valued customers.
I would prefer something like this instead of keeping the same qualification requirements, but taking away benefits.
On the other hand, I recognize that Delta isn't in business for my benefit.
#73
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I think there are too many elite pax. When everyone's an elite, no one is an elite. They should add more benefits, but make it harder to get elite status:
FO: 40,000 MQMs & $5,000 MQDs - or - 50 MQSs & $5,000 MQDs
GM: 80,000 MQMs & $10,000 MQDs - or - 110 MQSs & $10,000 MQDs
PM: 120,000 MQMs & $15,000 MQDs - or - 140 MQSs & $15,000 MQDs
DM: 180,000 MQMs & $19,000 MQDs - or - 180 MQSs & $19,000 MQDs
The MQD waiver should only apply for FO & GM. PM & DM must meet the MQD requirements.
These are arbitrary numbers, but something like this. It will bring much more exclusivity to the Medallion program, and it will help DL keep benefit costs low so that they can give more benefits to their even more valued customers.
I would prefer something like this instead of keeping the same qualification requirements, but taking away benefits.
FO: 40,000 MQMs & $5,000 MQDs - or - 50 MQSs & $5,000 MQDs
GM: 80,000 MQMs & $10,000 MQDs - or - 110 MQSs & $10,000 MQDs
PM: 120,000 MQMs & $15,000 MQDs - or - 140 MQSs & $15,000 MQDs
DM: 180,000 MQMs & $19,000 MQDs - or - 180 MQSs & $19,000 MQDs
The MQD waiver should only apply for FO & GM. PM & DM must meet the MQD requirements.
These are arbitrary numbers, but something like this. It will bring much more exclusivity to the Medallion program, and it will help DL keep benefit costs low so that they can give more benefits to their even more valued customers.
I would prefer something like this instead of keeping the same qualification requirements, but taking away benefits.
#74
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I think there are too many elite pax. When everyone's an elite, no one is an elite. They should add more benefits, but make it harder to get elite status:
FO: 40,000 MQMs & $5,000 MQDs - or - 50 MQSs & $5,000 MQDs
GM: 80,000 MQMs & $10,000 MQDs - or - 110 MQSs & $10,000 MQDs
PM: 120,000 MQMs & $15,000 MQDs - or - 140 MQSs & $15,000 MQDs
DM: 180,000 MQMs & $19,000 MQDs - or - 180 MQSs & $19,000 MQDs
The MQD waiver should only apply for FO & GM. PM & DM must meet the MQD requirements.
These are arbitrary numbers, but something like this. It will bring much more exclusivity to the Medallion program, and it will help DL keep benefit costs low so that they can give more benefits to their even more valued customers.
I would prefer something like this instead of keeping the same qualification requirements, but taking away benefits.
FO: 40,000 MQMs & $5,000 MQDs - or - 50 MQSs & $5,000 MQDs
GM: 80,000 MQMs & $10,000 MQDs - or - 110 MQSs & $10,000 MQDs
PM: 120,000 MQMs & $15,000 MQDs - or - 140 MQSs & $15,000 MQDs
DM: 180,000 MQMs & $19,000 MQDs - or - 180 MQSs & $19,000 MQDs
The MQD waiver should only apply for FO & GM. PM & DM must meet the MQD requirements.
These are arbitrary numbers, but something like this. It will bring much more exclusivity to the Medallion program, and it will help DL keep benefit costs low so that they can give more benefits to their even more valued customers.
I would prefer something like this instead of keeping the same qualification requirements, but taking away benefits.
Last edited by SJC ORD LDR; Nov 19, 2015 at 10:12 am Reason: typo
#75
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I would suggest a much more reasonable, two tiered model: Anyone below 127k MQMs (coincidentally just below where I'll be after my upcoming Africa trip) gets absolutely nothing, and anyone above 127k gets guaranteed first class on every single flight, 25 miles per dollar spent, and all of the non status folks are required to form a human tunnel and do jazz hands while the 127k status people board to the sound of the song "Extraordinary" from the musical Pippin.