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are airlines practicing in Good Faith with FF?

Old Nov 18, 2015, 1:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Zeeb
I'm not sure what laws could do in regards to FFPs, not allowing extreme consolidation was the opportunity the government had to prevent this. Eliminate competition and you eliminate the need to fight for customers.
Allow foreign airlines to carry passengers domestically and see what happens (besides lots of screeching from the US carriers).
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Old Nov 18, 2015, 6:08 pm
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Retaining the right to do something does not make it ethically right to do.
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Old Nov 18, 2015, 7:26 pm
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I'll make my answer short: No. After deregulation, the only people they need to make happy are their shareholders with showing more profits.
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Old Nov 18, 2015, 10:38 pm
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Originally Posted by airplanegod
I'll make my answer short: No. After deregulation, the only people they need to make happy are their shareholders with showing more profits.
The same was true before deregulation.

They ought to make their customers happy, but the closer the industry is to a monopoly the less that matters.

At least, until passengers rebel enough to get Congress to give foreign airlines permission to fly within the US.
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Old Nov 18, 2015, 10:44 pm
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Deregulation made air travel affordable for 99% of the people here. That's part of the angst here, that air travel doesn't make you a "jet setter"
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Old Nov 18, 2015, 11:19 pm
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Originally Posted by LaserSailor
Deregulation made air travel affordable for 99% of the people here. That's part of the angst here, that air travel doesn't make you a "jet setter"
In 1969/70, a round trip NYC-HNL-BOS cost $500. In 2000, NYC-HNL-NYC cost $500. Now it's about $635.

But the coach seat and service of that first flight is more similar to first class now.
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 2:17 am
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I think there are too many elite pax. When everyone's an elite, no one is an elite. They should add more benefits, but make it harder to get elite status:

FO: 40,000 MQMs & $5,000 MQDs - or - 50 MQSs & $5,000 MQDs
GM: 80,000 MQMs & $10,000 MQDs - or - 110 MQSs & $10,000 MQDs
PM: 120,000 MQMs & $15,000 MQDs - or - 140 MQSs & $15,000 MQDs
DM: 180,000 MQMs & $19,000 MQDs - or - 180 MQSs & $19,000 MQDs

The MQD waiver should only apply for FO & GM. PM & DM must meet the MQD requirements.

These are arbitrary numbers, but something like this. It will bring much more exclusivity to the Medallion program, and it will help DL keep benefit costs low so that they can give more benefits to their even more valued customers.

I would prefer something like this instead of keeping the same qualification requirements, but taking away benefits.
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 3:11 am
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Originally Posted by sethb
In 1969/70, a round trip NYC-HNL-BOS cost $500. In 2000, NYC-HNL-NYC cost $500. Now it's about $635.

But the coach seat and service of that first flight is more similar to first class now.
Thus were paying a whole lot less for airfare. It would cost thousands of today's dollars if priced to that 1969 standard.

This is what people seem to miss with miles. They're just like currency, their value has to change due to inflation. What cost 500 miles one year will cost more miles the next. However till recently award levels have basically held steady. I think they may have swung a bit to far correcting, but they did need to catch up.
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 6:24 am
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Originally Posted by Felixishim
Or should there be laws about requiring them to operate in good faith in the future.
Do you actually think that our legislative branch, which already isn't the most efficient, should pass more useless laws to ensure someone gets a free ticket, upgrade or C+ seat? Please promote that idea to your congressman and see how quickly these programs go away. Again, they are voluntary and free and can be cancelled at any time. Then what would people do with all those miles they've been hoarding?
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 6:36 am
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Originally Posted by Dieuwer
How do you know it is free? Maybe airlines charge an undisclosed fee on top of the ticket to recoup the frequent flyer program cost. After all, the "YQ surcharge" has no 1-1 relationship with actual fuel cost. "YQ" might as well be the FF program fee + fuel.
Because it didn't cost me anything to sign up and I don't pay an annual fee. If your theory is correct, I'm not that concerned because everyone is paying it, not just SM members.
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 6:37 am
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Originally Posted by ATLTraveller
I think there are too many elite pax. When everyone's an elite, no one is an elite. They should add more benefits, but make it harder to get elite status:

FO: 40,000 MQMs & $5,000 MQDs - or - 50 MQSs & $5,000 MQDs
GM: 80,000 MQMs & $10,000 MQDs - or - 110 MQSs & $10,000 MQDs
PM: 120,000 MQMs & $15,000 MQDs - or - 140 MQSs & $15,000 MQDs
DM: 180,000 MQMs & $19,000 MQDs - or - 180 MQSs & $19,000 MQDs

The MQD waiver should only apply for FO & GM. PM & DM must meet the MQD requirements.
What does it matter if you need 40,000 MQMs for FO or 180,000 MQMs for DM. As long as WFBF is in effect, elite status means NOTHING.
What does it matter if you need to spend 5,000 MQDs for FO or 19,000 MQDs for DM. As long as WECBEC is in effect, elite status means NOTHING.
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 9:29 am
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Originally Posted by ATLTraveller
I think there are too many elite pax. When everyone's an elite, no one is an elite. They should add more benefits, but make it harder to get elite status:

FO: 40,000 MQMs & $5,000 MQDs - or - 50 MQSs & $5,000 MQDs
GM: 80,000 MQMs & $10,000 MQDs - or - 110 MQSs & $10,000 MQDs
PM: 120,000 MQMs & $15,000 MQDs - or - 140 MQSs & $15,000 MQDs
DM: 180,000 MQMs & $19,000 MQDs - or - 180 MQSs & $19,000 MQDs

The MQD waiver should only apply for FO & GM. PM & DM must meet the MQD requirements.

These are arbitrary numbers, but something like this. It will bring much more exclusivity to the Medallion program, and it will help DL keep benefit costs low so that they can give more benefits to their even more valued customers.

I would prefer something like this instead of keeping the same qualification requirements, but taking away benefits.
Everybody wants the program changed for their own personal benefit. I think DM should require exactly what I do; nobody who does more should get higher status, and nobody who does less should compete with me.

On the other hand, I recognize that Delta isn't in business for my benefit.
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 10:05 am
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Originally Posted by ATLTraveller
I think there are too many elite pax. When everyone's an elite, no one is an elite. They should add more benefits, but make it harder to get elite status:

FO: 40,000 MQMs & $5,000 MQDs - or - 50 MQSs & $5,000 MQDs
GM: 80,000 MQMs & $10,000 MQDs - or - 110 MQSs & $10,000 MQDs
PM: 120,000 MQMs & $15,000 MQDs - or - 140 MQSs & $15,000 MQDs
DM: 180,000 MQMs & $19,000 MQDs - or - 180 MQSs & $19,000 MQDs

The MQD waiver should only apply for FO & GM. PM & DM must meet the MQD requirements.

These are arbitrary numbers, but something like this. It will bring much more exclusivity to the Medallion program, and it will help DL keep benefit costs low so that they can give more benefits to their even more valued customers.

I would prefer something like this instead of keeping the same qualification requirements, but taking away benefits.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess your travel for this year was just over 180k miles and you had a spend of between $19k and $20k
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 10:11 am
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Originally Posted by ATLTraveller
I think there are too many elite pax. When everyone's an elite, no one is an elite. They should add more benefits, but make it harder to get elite status:

FO: 40,000 MQMs & $5,000 MQDs - or - 50 MQSs & $5,000 MQDs
GM: 80,000 MQMs & $10,000 MQDs - or - 110 MQSs & $10,000 MQDs
PM: 120,000 MQMs & $15,000 MQDs - or - 140 MQSs & $15,000 MQDs
DM: 180,000 MQMs & $19,000 MQDs - or - 180 MQSs & $19,000 MQDs

The MQD waiver should only apply for FO & GM. PM & DM must meet the MQD requirements.

These are arbitrary numbers, but something like this. It will bring much more exclusivity to the Medallion program, and it will help DL keep benefit costs low so that they can give more benefits to their even more valued customers.

I would prefer something like this instead of keeping the same qualification requirements, but taking away benefits.
Your model doesn't make sense. If every 40,000 MQM requires $5,000 in spend, the DM threshold for MQD should be $22,500. Also, the number of MQS between status should not be 50, 60, 30, 40. It should be 50, 50, 50, 50 or some increase like 50, 50, 60, 70.

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Old Nov 19, 2015, 10:49 am
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Originally Posted by SJC ORD LDR
Your model doesn't make sense. If every 40,000 MQM requires $5,000 in spend, the DM threshold for MQD should be $22,500. Also, the number of MQS between status should not be 50, 60, 30, 40. It should be 50, 50, 50, 50 or some increase like 50, 50, 60, 70.
He clearly built this fictional model so that he would just barely hit the DM threshold and others wouldn't.

I would suggest a much more reasonable, two tiered model: Anyone below 127k MQMs (coincidentally just below where I'll be after my upcoming Africa trip) gets absolutely nothing, and anyone above 127k gets guaranteed first class on every single flight, 25 miles per dollar spent, and all of the non status folks are required to form a human tunnel and do jazz hands while the 127k status people board to the sound of the song "Extraordinary" from the musical Pippin.
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