aCavalierInCoach

+1

AANYC1981

My one gripe about the new SFO club is only those 2 elevators for the long trek upstairs (and those elevators are not exactly fast)......makes no sense for the amount of traffic that club must get.

aCavalierInCoach

I see you have not had the pleasure of the United Clubs at e.g. EWR, MCO, LGA, etc... Truly minor in comparison, especially since the traffic tends to cluster around the JFK flights.

SJC ORD LDR

I have to admit, if I didn't read the USA Today article, I would laugh at that rumor as being illogical. SJC has no service to DTW and only one lousy red-eye to ATL. The hubs are far from covered. DL has much more service to the smaller city 45 miles to the north. It's such a small station that the some of the staff recognizes me.

N830MH

Right! If they does have more route I can see RNO/ANC/HNL/TUS/SAN and maybe even FLL or MCO.

aCavalierInCoach

did WN recently start some previously DL-only route to which launching this would theoretically be retaliatory?

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N830MH

^^^ that was very nice to him. You can thanks to him. Didn't you get a text from me?

LarkSFO

Who is number 2 today?

I thought it was AS...

DL taking a shot across AS' bow? Seems unlikely, but...

When you say SFO is a bloodbath, what do you mean?

In general? Or just on SFO-LAS flights / pricing?

Here is my ranking:

T2
T3 (T3E and the Centurion almost make it a tie with T2)
Int'l G (nice, but not many restaurant choices)
Int'l A
5
6
7
8
9
T1 - 3 years or so from now it will be much improved though!

MrAndy1369

Why does it seem like DL keeps adding hubs/mini-hubs/focus cities? I feel like DL treats many major cities like their own hubs/focus cities... for example, MIA (with some random flights), LAS, MCO, RDU and even DEN (think "transcontinental" lounge access at JFK for JFK-DEN in paid F). Not saying those cities are necessarily given the hub treatment, per se, just saying it seems to me like DL treats a lot of major cities like "their own." Is LAX listed as a DL hub? It certainly functions like one.

AA and UA, on the other hand, definitely treats their hubs as their priorities, while all other cities are simply spokes. It's hard to explain, but DL's strategy feels more... "open" or "liberal."

aCavalierInCoach

Think it was just a reference to UA, VX, WN, B6, and F9 all serving the airport pair.

aCavalierInCoach

I can't really speak to why DL does it - I think it may be that they are opportunistic, they want to grab the gaps in a "full service" cities where they see it. I think if you are "winning" with the customer this strategy kind of makes sense - DL has seen that their product is getting traction outside their hubs and wants to leverage the advantage.

With UA, their strategy away from focus cities is endemic to the Continental EWR/IAH fortress hub hunker-down mindset - I'll stop here lest I end up on a rant.

AA I am ever-less familiar with since DL/UA serve my FF needs better, but I know at one point they had a "five points" strategy (JFK/LGA, MIA, DFW, LAX, ORD) that emphasized their hubs (and de-emphasized focus cities and ex-hubs like STL, SJC, RDU). I don't know if that survived the last BK or if it is still a governing strategy but it would explain the hub focus.

Mountain Explorer

I have absolutely no data to back this up, but I wouldn't be surprised if SJC-LAS is one of the busiest routes in the country with just a single airline. Seems like there was an opportunity here.

SJC is very generous with new service, I'm guessing DL is getting fees waived for a while.

kop84

Cavalier is correct. SFO is a UA Hub and well served by many LLC's. Then factor in the fog that rolls in pretty much daily and trying to make SFO a focus city for DL is a recipe to hemorrhage cash and their highly touted on time performance.

SJC has far less US3 service and it would seem like a better place for DL to try to capture some decent money from Silicon Valley, especially those people who WFBF and don't want to deal with SFO.

SJC ORD LDR

In terms of flights, DL is #2. This link shows the number of weekly flights from SJC by the various carriers.

http://www.flysanjose.com/fl/travele...Weekly+Flights

In terms of seats, DL is probably #4 behind WN, AS, and AA. DL tends to use more regional jets than AS and AA out of SJC. AA only uses RJs to LAX while DL uses them to LAX, SEA, and SLC (though there is some mainline to LAX and SLC).