Originally Posted by phenobarbital

Also, how does AA refusing to pay make DL the cheap airline?

Originally Posted by javabytes

You're basing this on what... first hand knowledge? Or speculation like everybody else?

Originally Posted by channa

These are seats that are on open flights, usually departing within the next couple of hours. They were not likely to sell, and if they were or suspected as they would, DL could decline the rebooking when contacted. And they do do that -- e.g., decline taking people on a flight if the earlier one hasn't departed on a mechanical for example.

No doubt this is going to be a hit for DL, as this is lost incremental revenue on a perishable product. In fact, it is likely a bigger hit for DL than AA, since DL likely receives more AA rebooks than they rebook on AA.

I suspect that DL is holding out for a more favorable rate since the deck is favoring them. They'd rather pay AA more for each rebook in return for getting more from AA for each rebook.

Originally Posted by RealHJ

Sure, whatever. If you keep repeating to yourself enough that the sky is green, sure the sky is green.

DL's own PR here shows that DL is paying to AA 5x less than AA is paying to DL. AA is paying to DL 5x more, as DL itself states (presuming the payment is proportional to the pax flown, and as it is based on each unique case, it should be approx. so). DL is obviously doing all it can to avoid reaccommodating its pax on other airlines (hence its 5x lesser payment to AA than from AA to DL), instead leaving them stranded for longer (sometimes days) and forcing them to fly out on DL much later (just like the low-cost carriers do, which DL seems to be wishing to become). It would be interesting to see for how many more hours longer are DL pax stranded in irrops, due to DL's poor handling of that by doing all it can to avoid accommodating pax on other airlines, than AA pax, where pax are readily accommodated on other airlines in case of need, as DL's own PR shows.

If you really believe what you are saying, despite it making no sense whatsoever, wow, then really you should hold back on the kool aid for a while.

Originally Posted by Felixishim

AGAIN, DL language suggest that they lose money and do NOT benefit from agreement when AA send lots people to DL

Originally Posted by RealHJ

Exactly. From my experience, having flown about equal DL, AA and UA over the last 1~2 years, DL has - by far - the worst reliability and on-time track record. Now, mind you, that is just my own personal experience based on my travel patterns.

While other airlines will readily rebook you on others, DL will always find some reason to block it and would rather delay you 24 or even 48 hours to fly on DL, vs. allow you to go on even another SkyTeam airline flight. Other airlines, in the meanwhile, will readily rebook you on another airline, in or out of their alliance, even if you're a nobody; but at DL, even a DM will get the short end of the stick.

So, these figures to me just show how very cheap DL is and how DL treats its pax so much worse in case of irrops than other airlines do: while AA will readily rebook its pax on DL when things go wrong, when things go wrong at DL (and it so happens a lot), DL will fight tooth and nails and resist rebooking pax on any other airline, and thus of course the proportions will be like this. But, that just shows how very cheap DL is and how badly DL treats its pax, that's all - combining these supposed "stats" with my own experience across DL, AA and UA and observations.

Originally Posted by Felixishim

these contracted fare or the agreement itself may mean that it is rather cheap for one airline to rebook on another regardless of what the previous post said agent saw price at $1,990

the airline may not actually make that big of a payment at all with the agreement and internal revenue

Originally Posted by kettle1

I fly from HNL many times a year (my second home) and I fly all three carriers every week from my main base LAS. You must be on another airline than DL making these claims. I find this 100% false in my travels with DL. In fact - 1000% false if you are talking about Delta Airlines based in Atlanta GA, USA. You are FALSE!

Aloha! ^

Originally Posted by Melodsal

How do inter line agreements work with code shares? Would you still be able to get a BA codeshare operated by AA?

Originally Posted by RealHJ

That may be so. I just know when UA has rebooked me on DL, the DL receipt showed that UA had paid the full F fare for the DL flight (and I was just on an award ticket on UA, with some 20+ same day options on UA comparable to my original flight, but I asked for the direct DL flight and got it no questions asked - I never expected UA to do it for me as a nobody, when DL will adamantly refuse to do it for its DMs flying in J), and it also showed so earning wise on DL. So, if the amount that is exchanged is as show on receipt, then other airlines appear to (at least sometimes, if not always) pay to DL the full walk-up last minute fare (i.e. full F or J or Y fare), esp. if they are giving you the very last seat on the DL flight, as was the case then for me.

Originally Posted by RealHJ

You must be flying then another airline and not Delta Air_Lines, with its nearly ancient fleet of poorly maintained 757s that go mechanical on a rather frequent basis.

Glad to hear that it's working out for you. (I suspect that you are flying AS or AA or HA instead of DL.)

Originally Posted by ClipperDelta

They absolutely do NOT pay each other the full walk-up fare when doing involuntary reroutes if there is an interline agreement in place, no matter what your ticket shows. That's the whole basis for this tiff. In these agreements, the airlines agree on a settlement rate that is far from the full walk-up fare.

Originally Posted by kettle1

You are incorrect. I sometimes fly HA nonstop to LAS.

Originally Posted by jspira

Why not?