Yes, there really are fewer upgrades these days
Jul 16, 2015, 1:14 pm
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Yes, there really are fewer upgrades these days
Does it feel like upgrades are more rare than before? That's probably because it is true. During the quarterly earnings call yesterday Delta indicated that the paid load factor in F was up to 57% last quarter. It was at 13% around the beginning of the decade.
And the goal is to reach 70%.
On the plus side, the cost differential to get up front on a paid basis is much more affordable these days than a decade ago.
More details after the click.
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And the goal is to reach 70%.
On the plus side, the cost differential to get up front on a paid basis is much more affordable these days than a decade ago.
More details after the click.
n.b. The link above is to my blog or to one which I am a regular contributor. FT rules require that I disclose that in the post.
Jul 16, 2015, 1:20 pm
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Does it feel like upgrades are more rare than before? That's probably because it is true. During the quarterly earnings call yesterday Delta indicated that the paid load factor in F was up to 57% last quarter. It was at 13% around the beginning of the decade.
And the goal is to reach 70%.
On the plus side, the cost differential to get up front on a paid basis is much more affordable these days than a decade ago.
More details after the click.
n.b. The link above is to my blog or to one which I am a regular contributor. FT rules require that I disclose that in the post.
And the goal is to reach 70%.
On the plus side, the cost differential to get up front on a paid basis is much more affordable these days than a decade ago.
More details after the click.
n.b. The link above is to my blog or to one which I am a regular contributor. FT rules require that I disclose that in the post.
Jul 16, 2015, 1:35 pm
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The F load factor is always 100%, unless you don't have any Medallions on a flight.
Jul 16, 2015, 2:10 pm
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Interesting maths
Jul 16, 2015, 2:11 pm
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Jul 16, 2015, 2:21 pm
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Jul 16, 2015, 4:23 pm
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I find that it's mostly route dependent. As a PM I'm 1 for 10 exATL and 24 for 25 elsewhere.
My wife (also PM) and I both got our upgrades for next week (LGA-MSY and MSY-LGA) at the 5 day window.
We also both got OpUps this Tuesday ARN-JFK.
My wife (also PM) and I both got our upgrades for next week (LGA-MSY and MSY-LGA) at the 5 day window.
We also both got OpUps this Tuesday ARN-JFK.
Jul 16, 2015, 6:09 pm
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Jul 16, 2015, 9:52 pm
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they don't upgrade anymore even with medallions
(if I wasn't mistaken ... )
Jul 17, 2015, 3:04 am
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I suspect you mean 10% on flights to or from ATL and over 95% on other flights you take. It would be very odd to be upgraded rarely on flights FROM ATL and almost always on flights TO ATL unless people were losing status like crazy as punishment for leaving the ATL area even on DL flights. On second thought this could be possible if you travel from ATL at consulting times and to ATL at leisure times, but that would be unusual too.
Jul 17, 2015, 4:18 am
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I suspect you mean 10% on flights to or from ATL and over 95% on other flights you take. It would be very odd to be upgraded rarely on flights FROM ATL and almost always on flights TO ATL unless people were losing status like crazy as punishment for leaving the ATL area even on DL flights. On second thought this could be possible if you travel from ATL at consulting times and to ATL at leisure times, but that would be unusual too.
MSY-ATL DL2433 12-Jan 11:15 UG at gate 757
ATL-LGA DL1786 12-Jan 14:45 No UG 739
LGA-ATL DL0781 22-Apr 12:00 No UG M80
ATL-MSY DL1277 22-Apr 15:55 No UG M88
LGA-ATL DL1447 10-Jun 06:00 No UG M90
ATL-MSY DL2433 10-Jun 08:55 No UG M88
MSY-ATL DL2602 10-Jun 11:50 No UG M88
ATL-LGA DL1786 10-Jun 15:00 No UG 739
LGA-ATL DL0343 15-Jun 11:00 No UG M90
ATL-MSY DL1293 15-Jun 15:00 No UG M88
All X and V Fares
Any other data needed?
Jul 17, 2015, 7:23 am
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Jul 17, 2015, 7:27 am
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Is this news? As I recall Ed Bastain said the goal was to sell up to 80% of the FC seats via paid upgrades, so Delta management is just doing what it said it was going to do.