Intra Asian Routes from NRT
Dec 14, 2014, 7:53 am
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: CLT
Programs: AA Platinum Pro, DL UA
Posts: 457
Intra Asian Routes from NRT
The Investor Day presentation mentioned that Delta will be reducing intra Asian flying to either 5 routes or 5 flights. Have a couple questions:
1) Does anyone know which intra Asian cities/flights Delta will continue to serve from NRT?
2) Will Delta lose the slots at NRT for lack of use?
3) Will cities that will lose NRT service be replaced with flights from Delta's SEA hub? For instance, will NRT to TPE transfer to SEA to TPE?
1) Does anyone know which intra Asian cities/flights Delta will continue to serve from NRT?
2) Will Delta lose the slots at NRT for lack of use?
3) Will cities that will lose NRT service be replaced with flights from Delta's SEA hub? For instance, will NRT to TPE transfer to SEA to TPE?
Dec 14, 2014, 8:41 am
#2
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 91
The way I understand it:
1) BKK, MNL, PVG, SIN, TPE (*the airline industry does not count ROR, SPN, GUM as Asian markets but rather North American)
2) no significant change in frequency from today (ignoring seasonal reductions like 5x/wk PDX-NRT which we already see)
3) this one is pure speculation but based on Richards comments my money is on PVG and possibly TPE. SIN, BKK and MNL are too far to be efficiently served from the mainland US.
1) BKK, MNL, PVG, SIN, TPE (*the airline industry does not count ROR, SPN, GUM as Asian markets but rather North American)
2) no significant change in frequency from today (ignoring seasonal reductions like 5x/wk PDX-NRT which we already see)
3) this one is pure speculation but based on Richards comments my money is on PVG and possibly TPE. SIN, BKK and MNL are too far to be efficiently served from the mainland US.
Dec 14, 2014, 8:59 am
#3
Join Date: Jun 2013
Programs: UA,DL
Posts: 279
The way I understand it:
1) BKK, MNL, PVG, SIN, TPE (*the airline industry does not count ROR, SPN, GUM as Asian markets but rather North American)
2) no significant change in frequency from today (ignoring seasonal reductions like 5x/wk PDX-NRT which we already see)
3) this one is pure speculation but based on Richards comments my money is on PVG and possibly TPE. SIN, BKK and MNL are too far to be efficiently served from the mainland US.
1) BKK, MNL, PVG, SIN, TPE (*the airline industry does not count ROR, SPN, GUM as Asian markets but rather North American)
2) no significant change in frequency from today (ignoring seasonal reductions like 5x/wk PDX-NRT which we already see)
3) this one is pure speculation but based on Richards comments my money is on PVG and possibly TPE. SIN, BKK and MNL are too far to be efficiently served from the mainland US.
Dec 14, 2014, 9:16 am
#4
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,404
Of course this has changed a bit with the availability of ten year tourist or business visas for USA citizens going to China, especially those who have held Chinese visa in the past.
Dec 14, 2014, 11:24 am
#6
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Upstate, NY
Posts: 3,359
I've always been curious....how much O/D traffic does Delta do on their intra-Asia flights?
If Delta can't fill something like NRT-PVG with connecting pax from North America...they could discount just the NRT-PVG segment to fill it with locals (Japanese and Chinese)... Or is there too much competition from Chinese and Japanese and Asain LCC's to make this viable?
If Delta can't fill something like NRT-PVG with connecting pax from North America...they could discount just the NRT-PVG segment to fill it with locals (Japanese and Chinese)... Or is there too much competition from Chinese and Japanese and Asain LCC's to make this viable?
Dec 14, 2014, 9:39 pm
#7
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,404
I've always been curious....how much O/D traffic does Delta do on their intra-Asia flights?
If Delta can't fill something like NRT-PVG with connecting pax from North America...they could discount just the NRT-PVG segment to fill it with locals (Japanese and Chinese)... Or is there too much competition from Chinese and Japanese and Asain LCC's to make this viable?
If Delta can't fill something like NRT-PVG with connecting pax from North America...they could discount just the NRT-PVG segment to fill it with locals (Japanese and Chinese)... Or is there too much competition from Chinese and Japanese and Asain LCC's to make this viable?
Dec 15, 2014, 6:12 am
#8
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: SEA
Programs: UA Silver, BA Gold, DL Gold
Posts: 9,779
I've always been curious....how much O/D traffic does Delta do on their intra-Asia flights?
If Delta can't fill something like NRT-PVG with connecting pax from North America...they could discount just the NRT-PVG segment to fill it with locals (Japanese and Chinese)... Or is there too much competition from Chinese and Japanese and Asain LCC's to make this viable?
If Delta can't fill something like NRT-PVG with connecting pax from North America...they could discount just the NRT-PVG segment to fill it with locals (Japanese and Chinese)... Or is there too much competition from Chinese and Japanese and Asain LCC's to make this viable?
As for discounting, I don't see why they would prefer to do that when they could simply discontinue the routes and focus on their ex-US flights. For PVG, for example, they already fly from SEA and DTW. No sense wasting effort and resources chasing O/D pax thousands of miles from home where you will be at a cost disadvantage.
Dec 15, 2014, 8:36 am
#9
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,404
There are many passengers who prefer NRT connections to SEA.
Dec 15, 2014, 8:48 am
#10
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: SEA
Programs: UA Silver, BA Gold, DL Gold
Posts: 9,779
Cool. I'm sure there is great diversity in preference among DL passengers. That doesn't mean DL need accommodate every preference, especially when doing so requires keeping an NRT hub that is likely more expensive to operate than a domestic one. If cost didn't play into it, every carrier would have dozens of hubs.
Dec 15, 2014, 8:56 am
#11
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,404
Cool. I'm sure there is great diversity in preference among DL passengers. That doesn't mean DL need accommodate every preference, especially when doing so requires keeping an NRT hub that is likely more expensive to operate than a domestic one. If cost didn't play into it, every carrier would have dozens of hubs.
Dec 17, 2014, 7:13 pm
#12
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: ATL
Programs: DL SkyMiles PM/2MM, AA Plat, IC Diam. Amb., Peninsula regular, amanjunkie
Posts: 5,848
True, but my point is that you and DL shouldn't just assume that existing DL Asia passengers will shift their travel from NRT to SEA connections and pay the same fares. Some will but others will look for other carriers and routings, perhaps ICN or HKG rather than SEA.
Dec 18, 2014, 12:25 am
#13
Join Date: May 2004
Location: formerly Gold now Diamond, formerly MSY, now LAX, formerly NW, now DL
Programs: Hyatt Plat, Hilton Gold, SPG Gold, Delta Diamond/1MM
Posts: 4,635
I love transiting via NRT/Haneda airports....the NRT lounges are the bomb in the NW/DL system. Who doesn't love the automatic beer pouring machines with perfect head???!?
Now with the award miles based on $$ and not miles traveled, more non-stop is more desirable. Granted we still need MQMs still....why not get rid of that concept and just do MQD???
In my past experiences in considering booking intra-Asian on NW/DL, it was always way more expensive, plus flight times very limited given the banking with US flights. Award travel however, was a good deal back in the day and easy to book....not sure these days though...
Now with the award miles based on $$ and not miles traveled, more non-stop is more desirable. Granted we still need MQMs still....why not get rid of that concept and just do MQD???
In my past experiences in considering booking intra-Asian on NW/DL, it was always way more expensive, plus flight times very limited given the banking with US flights. Award travel however, was a good deal back in the day and easy to book....not sure these days though...
Dec 18, 2014, 1:43 am
#14
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: LAS HNL
Programs: DL DM, 5.7 MM, UA 3.1 MM, MARRIOTT PLATINUM, AVIS FIRST, Amex Black Card
Posts: 4,479
