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Old Nov 22, 2014, 6:48 pm
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Originally Posted by SCEflyer
I disagree. However, you are entitled to your opinion, correct or otherwise.
It's not my opinion, just the facts. It turns out that I'm correct about the facts:

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-13-764_en.htm

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/merg...3206867_EN.pdf

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...-airways.html/

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/a...ndon-route.ece

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_t...-approval.html

I'd be willing to read evidence that the DOT or DOJ cared about PHL-LHR, but I've looked, and there isn't any.
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Old Nov 22, 2014, 7:06 pm
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Originally Posted by bennos
VS loyalists who would prefer to stay on VS (or a VS code) when flying TATL? PHL serves the seventh largest metropolitan area in the US, larger than Dallas, Miami, Houston, Atlanta, Detroit, Seattle, or Phoenix, so it's not unreasonable to think DL could fill a 757 here.
Not sure what the size of a metro area has to do with filling a 757. Much more important is the quality of the metro area, i.e. how much money each resident has.
Would you want to serve a metro area with 10 million residents making minimum wage or 1 million residents making 6 figures??
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Old Nov 22, 2014, 8:56 pm
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Just a thought here, but this could also be a way of getting a toehold in the PHL market in case AA/US decides to give the PHL hub the axe. With JFK 90 miles away and already an AA international hub with far larger O&D traffic, PHL going the way of CVG as a very downsized hub is a distinct possibility.
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Old Nov 22, 2014, 9:31 pm
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Originally Posted by us2
Just a thought here, but this could also be a way of getting a toehold in the PHL market in case AA/US decides to give the PHL hub the axe. With JFK 90 miles away and already an AA international hub with far larger O&D traffic, PHL going the way of CVG as a very downsized hub is a distinct possibility.
PHL is to JFK as PVD is to BOS
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Old Nov 22, 2014, 9:32 pm
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Interesting that in such a short time, Delta will go from the only one of the Big 3 with no LHR access, to the one serving the mist US destinations nonstop.

Delta:
1. Atlanta
2. JFK
3. Newark
4. Boston
5. Detroit
6. Minneapolis
7. Philadelphia
8. Seattle
9. Los Angeles

American
1. JFK
2. Miami
3. Chicago
4. Philadelphia
5. Charlotte
6. Dallas
7. Los Angeles
8. Raleigh Durham

United
1. Newark
2. Washington Dulles
3. Chicago
4. Houston
5. San Francisco
6. Los Angeles
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Old Nov 22, 2014, 9:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Every1 Get A Life
Interesting that in such a short time, Delta will go from the only one of the Big 3 with no LHR access, to the one serving the mist US destinations nonstop.
How does BA stack up?
Also: 10. SLC would be marvelous for DL to add.
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Old Nov 22, 2014, 9:46 pm
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Originally Posted by cfw
Not quite sure of your wording here (and also not trying to be a jerk). PHL metro is #6 in the US. Dallas and Houston are larger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tistical_Areas
It depends on which measurement you use. I was just going by metropolitan area, not by city (which tends to be geographically smaller) or statistical area (which tends to be geographically larger). You get slightly different results for each.

Originally Posted by JPG3392
But I agree with your conclusion about DL's ability to fill a 757 on this route. The greater problem may be attracting passengers whose final destination is not London.
Do they need to? LHR has been about O&D for DL... there are almost no meaningful connections on the UK side.

Originally Posted by dieuwer2
Not sure what the size of a metro area has to do with filling a 757. Much more important is the quality of the metro area, i.e. how much money each resident has.
Would you want to serve a metro area with 10 million residents making minimum wage or 1 million residents making 6 figures??
Thankfully, the Philadelphia area (as part of the NE corrider) is not hurting for potential passengers who can afford to purchase TATL tickets.
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Old Nov 22, 2014, 9:50 pm
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Glad to see additional service.

A 75W TATL...meh. But if I find a good fare, a visit to the Liberty Bell may be in order!

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Old Nov 22, 2014, 10:39 pm
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Originally Posted by FWAAA
It's not my opinion, just the facts. It turns out that I'm correct about the facts:

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-13-764_en.htm

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/merg...3206867_EN.pdf

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...-airways.html/

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/a...ndon-route.ece

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_t...-approval.html

I'd be willing to read evidence that the DOT or DOJ cared about PHL-LHR, but I've looked, and there isn't any.
Do you also have a Link that proves DL is actually using the AMR provided slot for this flight, rather than one from their DL/VS JV pool?
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Old Nov 22, 2014, 11:40 pm
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Originally Posted by perseus11
Do you also have a Link that proves DL is actually using the AMR provided slot for this flight, rather than one from their DL/VS JV pool?
THey'd be stupid not to use the open slot, and to save their pooled and unencumbered slots for another route of their choosing.
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Old Nov 23, 2014, 12:15 am
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Originally Posted by Every1 Get A Life
Interesting that in such a short time, Delta will go from the only one of the Big 3 with no LHR access, to the one serving the mist US destinations nonstop.

Delta:
1. Atlanta
2. JFK
3. Newark
4. Boston
5. Detroit
6. Minneapolis
7. Philadelphia
8. Seattle
9. Los Angeles

American
1. JFK
2. Miami
3. Chicago
4. Philadelphia
5. Charlotte
6. Dallas
7. Los Angeles
8. Raleigh Durham

United
1. Newark
2. Washington Dulles
3. Chicago
4. Houston
5. San Francisco
6. Los Angeles
I thought I would offer some metrics. You need to consider the number of flights and seats for true market analysis...single frequency service obviously doesn't weight as much as multi-frequency and larger aircraft.

Just for a single day in December (the 8th):

Delta
Flights - 10 (3rd)
Seats - 2,244 (3rd)

American
Flights - 16 (tied for 1st)
Seats - 4,279 (1st)

United
Flights - 16 (tied for 1st)
Seats - 3,395 (2nd)

Same relative scores overall when you do a full month....
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Old Nov 23, 2014, 1:25 am
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Originally Posted by perseus11
Do you also have a Link that proves DL is actually using the AMR provided slot for this flight, rather than one from their DL/VS JV pool?
Such a link probably doesn't exist. As AMR wasn't required to relinquish a slot pair. Only that a slot pair that a member of the AT/JVI group possessed. So this most likely came from a slot pair BA used on an intra-European route. I have yet to hear of any USA-LHR flight reductions on AA/US. In fact, LAX-LHR is getting a daily second flight. As is CLT-LHR. But this would only apply if DL is agreeing to the terms of keeping this service for a minimum of 3 or 4 years. If not, then they have to use one of their own (DL or VS) slot pairs.
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Old Nov 23, 2014, 8:49 am
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Originally Posted by Every1 Get A Life
Interesting that in such a short time, Delta will go from the only one of the Big 3 with no LHR access, to the one serving the most US destinations nonstop.
Originally Posted by AAExpDFW
I thought I would offer some metrics. You need to consider the number of flights and seats for true market analysis...single frequency service obviously doesn't weight as much as multi-frequency and larger aircraft.

Delta Flights - 10 (3rd) Seats - 2,244 (3rd)

American Flights - 16 (tied for 1st) Seats - 4,279 (1st)

United Flights - 16 (tied for 1st) Seats - 3,395 (2nd)

Same relative scores overall when you do a full month....
Interesting metrics but I still agree with getalife that Delta have in effect gone from nowhere to somewhere. Quickly
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Old Nov 23, 2014, 9:17 am
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Originally Posted by AAExpDFW
I thought I would offer some metrics. You need to consider the number of flights and seats for true market analysis...single frequency service obviously doesn't weight as much as multi-frequency and larger aircraft.

Just for a single day in December (the 8th):

Delta
Flights - 10 (3rd)
Seats - 2,244 (3rd)

American
Flights - 16 (tied for 1st)
Seats - 4,279 (1st)

United
Flights - 16 (tied for 1st)
Seats - 3,395 (2nd)

Same relative scores overall when you do a full month....
That is why I referred to non-stop destinations only and did not use any words like "largest carrier".

But that is a random day (and month) to use. EWR and PHL don't start on DL until next spring, and Delta makes seasonal some frequencies of their multi-frequency markets (like DTW) after the end of October.
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Old Nov 23, 2014, 9:25 am
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My only question is how AA/US/BA will respond. DL757 vs US330/BA777 (and who knows what else AA/BA will throw in, if they cared).
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