AA Asks U.S. Government for DL's Daily Seattle-Tokyo Haneda Route
Oct 2, 2014, 4:43 pm
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AA Asks U.S. Government for DL's Daily Seattle-Tokyo Haneda Route
American Claims Delta Is Squandering a Valuable Right to Serve Tokyo's Haneda Airport
American Airlines Group Inc. on Thursday asked the U.S. government to withdraw Delta Air Lines Inc.'s daily right to fly from Seattle to Tokyo's close-in Haneda Airport, and reallocate the route rights to American, which would launch flights from Los Angeles.
American, which is trying to beef up its Asian flight offerings, alleged in its filing with the U.S. Department of Transportation that Delta plans to serve the Seattle-Haneda route only 17 times between now and the end of March, instead of the 182 possible days....
American Airlines Group Inc. on Thursday asked the U.S. government to withdraw Delta Air Lines Inc.'s daily right to fly from Seattle to Tokyo's close-in Haneda Airport, and reallocate the route rights to American, which would launch flights from Los Angeles.
American, which is trying to beef up its Asian flight offerings, alleged in its filing with the U.S. Department of Transportation that Delta plans to serve the Seattle-Haneda route only 17 times between now and the end of March, instead of the 182 possible days....
http://online.wsj.com/articles/ameri...5?mod=yahoo_hs
Oct 2, 2014, 4:57 pm
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Is this a declaration of war by AA? It could lead to some very interesting pricing in the LAX-TYO market.
Oct 2, 2014, 5:08 pm
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Here is a .pdf of AA's filing with DOT: http://airlineinfo.com/ostpdf91/679.pdf
Oct 2, 2014, 9:28 pm
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Delta, which is paring Haneda service starting this month, will only fly the Seattle route often enough to keep it from reverting to the Transportation Department, American said. Japanese authorities limit foreign flights, and U.S. regulators oversee that access.
Delta said it's studying American's filing, "which appears to have no merit."
"We are fully compliant with the DOT's conditions regarding the use of Haneda frequencies," Trebor Banstetter, a Delta spokesman, said in an e-mail. Reducing flights between some cities on a seasonal basis is a widespread practice among airlines, he said.
Delta said it's studying American's filing, "which appears to have no merit."
"We are fully compliant with the DOT's conditions regarding the use of Haneda frequencies," Trebor Banstetter, a Delta spokesman, said in an e-mail. Reducing flights between some cities on a seasonal basis is a widespread practice among airlines, he said.
So I guess if DL is compliant with the DOT, AA is out of luck. I thought AA had the flt first, decided not to use it and that is how DL got it?
Oct 2, 2014, 9:37 pm
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So I guess if DL is compliant with the DOT, AA is out of luck. I thought AA had the flt first, decided not to use it and that is how DL got it?
So I guess if DL is compliant with the DOT, AA is out of luck. I thought AA had the flt first, decided not to use it and that is how DL got it?
2010: DOT awards 4 slots to HA (HNL), AA (JFK), and DL (LAX, DTW). UA (SFO) and CO (EWR, GUM) lose out. AA also doesn't get LAX.
2012: DL cancels DTW, requests for shift to SEA. UA/HA counterapply w/ KOA and SFO, but DL wins again.
2013: AA cancels JFK-HND. UA/HA apply to take over the slot; UA wins and they start that service later this month.
2014: AA applies for LAX-HND in place of the nearly-dormant SEA-HND by DL. Verdict remains to be seen.
In other words:
Slot 1: HA (HNL)
Slot 2: DL (LAX)
Slot 3: DL→DL→AA? (DTW, SEA, LAX?)
Slot 4: AA→UA (JFK, SFO)
Oct 3, 2014, 6:31 am
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WSJ article: AA Tring to grab SEA - HND route as DL winds down TPAC Opperations
Apparently AA got wind of DL cutting back service to the Pacific, and is trying to have the DOT reassign the SEA - NRT routes. DL replied that it is just normal "seasonal cutbacks".
It seems like AA is onto something seeing as so many people with booked DL flights early next year are being assigned to partners, and DL has begun decommissioning their 744 fleet..
http://online.wsj.com/articles/ameri...KEYWORDS=delta
It seems like AA is onto something seeing as so many people with booked DL flights early next year are being assigned to partners, and DL has begun decommissioning their 744 fleet..
http://online.wsj.com/articles/ameri...KEYWORDS=delta
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Oct 3, 2014, 6:45 am
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It's Tokyo Haneda, as in HND, not NRT. DL will retain the SEA-NRT flight. There's already a thread here on the topic.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...eda-route.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...eda-route.html
Oct 3, 2014, 6:49 am
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Pay wall link. However, we're talking about one flight here.
From what I understand, AA is asking for the HND slot that DL won't be using from SEA. They want to use it for LAX-HND.
As far as I'm concerned, let AA add it to their Asian network. They surely need all the help they can get TPAC. Their Asian network is a joke.
From what I understand, AA is asking for the HND slot that DL won't be using from SEA. They want to use it for LAX-HND.
As far as I'm concerned, let AA add it to their Asian network. They surely need all the help they can get TPAC. Their Asian network is a joke.
Oct 3, 2014, 6:51 am
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the new AA has been very aggressive with international growth these past few years, especially TPAC growth. They take chances and they are paying off. DL and UA need to pay attention to this fact.
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I find this so interesting. Has anyone really made a HND route work? While I was based in London, BA's HND route had notoriously low yields (admittedly the landing slot timing makes for very poor route timing out of LHR...not sure if there are similar issues exUSA). It looks like all the exUSA HND routes have been in constant flux since being awarded. Why the all the romance drama?
That said, I'd personally love an exLAX route given I'm now based here in SoCal.
That said, I'd personally love an exLAX route given I'm now based here in SoCal.
Oct 3, 2014, 7:32 pm
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I find this so interesting. Has anyone really made a HND route work? While I was based in London, BA's HND route had notoriously low yields (admittedly the landing slot timing makes for very poor route timing out of LHR...not sure if there are similar issues exUSA). It looks like all the exUSA HND routes have been in constant flux since being awarded. Why the all the romance drama?
That said, I'd personally love an exLAX route given I'm now based here in SoCal.
That said, I'd personally love an exLAX route given I'm now based here in SoCal.
