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DL/KE current flights between ICN and North America:
Update from Delta News Hub (28MARCH17):
http://news.delta.com/delta-and-kore...nd-partnership
Will this mean a move from Group 4 partner to Group 1? Delta SkyMiles PR rep says:
"... the details youre looking for will be figured out further down the road"
Further from the Delta press release on the date of the JV agreement being signed, 6/23/17:
Delta and Korean Air will lay the groundwork for implementing all aspects of the joint venture, subject to regulatory approvals, including:
It cited no date for the enhanced FF benefits to be effective.
New Delta SkyMiles mileage earn chart, including MQMs and MQDs, for Korean Air flights effective May 1, 2018. See posts #566 and #567 for details.
Update from Delta News Hub (28MARCH17):
http://news.delta.com/delta-and-kore...nd-partnership
Will this mean a move from Group 4 partner to Group 1? Delta SkyMiles PR rep says:
"... the details youre looking for will be figured out further down the road"
Further from the Delta press release on the date of the JV agreement being signed, 6/23/17:
Delta and Korean Air will lay the groundwork for implementing all aspects of the joint venture, subject to regulatory approvals, including:
- Expanded codesharing in the trans-Pacific market
- Joint sales and marketing initiatives in Asia and the United States
- Colocation at key hubs with seamless passenger and baggage transit experience
- Enhanced frequent flyer benefits, providing customers of both airlines the ability to earn and redeem miles on Delta's SkyMiles and Korean Air's SKYPASS programs
- Increased belly cargo cooperation across the trans-Pacific
- Under the agreement, the airlines will also share costs and revenues on flights within the scope of the joint venture as they work to expand service options for travelers.
- Increased belly cargo cooperation across the trans-Pacific
- Enhanced frequent flyer benefits, providing customers of both airlines the ability to earn and redeem miles on Delta's SkyMiles and Korean Air's SKYPASS programs
- Colocation at key hubs with seamless passenger and baggage transit experience
- Joint sales and marketing initiatives in Asia and the United States
It cited no date for the enhanced FF benefits to be effective.
New Delta SkyMiles mileage earn chart, including MQMs and MQDs, for Korean Air flights effective May 1, 2018. See posts #566 and #567 for details.
Joint Venture Between Korean Air and Delta Announced Effective as of May 1, 2018
#451
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Appollogize if this has already been mentioned but I had 4 KE code share flights that previously did not let me even request seats and now 2 of them I was able to select seats and the other two I selected but they say requested.
This is new at least to my itineraries because previously I could not even see the seat map
This is new at least to my itineraries because previously I could not even see the seat map
Get the KE reservation number (PNR) and check on their website. Even if dl.com shows the seats, they might or might not "stick".
#452
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*There are also de facto blackout dates for other airlines like CI. It's no longer published, but during certain local and int'l holidays, not a single flight is ever available...which is blackout dates in all but name ("capacity controlled" awards is probably what they'd call it...in that at former published blackout dates there is never, ever any capacity allocated for awards).
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Well, DL still imposes blackout dates for KE.* Just now it's more targeted to match the actual KE higher mileage cost dates for specific flight sectors. DL could charge more during the KE blackout dates and stop blocking it. DL also could do what NW did way back in the day and charge more for KE than for its own and other airline awards on the same routes altogether. Hopefully it does neither, of course. DL bringing things in line with KE would be mostly bad news.
*There are also de facto blackout dates for other airlines like CI. It's no longer published, but during certain local and int'l holidays, not a single flight is ever available...which is blackout dates in all but name ("capacity controlled" awards is probably what they'd call it...in that at former published blackout dates there is never, ever any capacity allocated for awards).
*There are also de facto blackout dates for other airlines like CI. It's no longer published, but during certain local and int'l holidays, not a single flight is ever available...which is blackout dates in all but name ("capacity controlled" awards is probably what they'd call it...in that at former published blackout dates there is never, ever any capacity allocated for awards).
#456
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Posts: 791
Here is a list of the frequencies between US, US Territories, Japan and S. Korea for KE and DL. This is based on the July schedule.
KE:
ICN-SEA 7x weekly
ICN-SFO 13x weekly, excluding Thu
ICN-LAX 19x weekly, excluding Tue and Fri
ICN-LAS 5x weekly, excluding Tue and Fri
ICN-ORD 7x weekly
ICN-DFW 5x weekly, excluding Tue and Fri
ICN-IAH 5x weekly, excluding Mon and Thu
ICN-ATL 7x weekly
ICN-IAD 7x weekly
ICN-JFK 14x weekly
ICN-HNL 7x weekly
ICN-YVR 7x weekly
ICN-YYZ 7x weekly
NRT-HNL 7x weekly
Total = 117x weekly
Delta:
SEA-ICN 7x weekly
DTW-ICN 7x weekly
ATL-ICN 6x weekly, excluding Mon
SEA-NRT 7x weekly
DTW-NRT 7x weekly
ATL-NRT 7x weekly
PDX-NRT 7x weekly
MSP-HND 7x weekly
LAX-HND 7x weekly
DTW-NGO 5x weekly, excluding Mon and Wed
HNL-FUK 7x weekly
HNL-NGO 7x weekly
HNL-KIX 7x weekly
HNL-NRT 14x weekly
SPN-NRT 7x weekly
GUM-NRT 12x weekly, excluding Tue and Sat
NRT-PVG 7x weekly
NRT-SIN 7x weekly
NRT-MNL 7x weekly
Total = 142x weekly
Potential new routes for DL and KE:
ICN-BOS KE
JFK-ICN DL (KE will reduce 7x weekly)
ICN-EWR KE
ICN-SJC KE
MSP-ICN DL or ICN-DTW KE
LAX-ICN DL (KE will reduce 6x weekly)
ICN-DEN KE 5x weekly (dark horse)
KE:
ICN-SEA 7x weekly
ICN-SFO 13x weekly, excluding Thu
ICN-LAX 19x weekly, excluding Tue and Fri
ICN-LAS 5x weekly, excluding Tue and Fri
ICN-ORD 7x weekly
ICN-DFW 5x weekly, excluding Tue and Fri
ICN-IAH 5x weekly, excluding Mon and Thu
ICN-ATL 7x weekly
ICN-IAD 7x weekly
ICN-JFK 14x weekly
ICN-HNL 7x weekly
ICN-YVR 7x weekly
ICN-YYZ 7x weekly
NRT-HNL 7x weekly
Total = 117x weekly
Delta:
SEA-ICN 7x weekly
DTW-ICN 7x weekly
ATL-ICN 6x weekly, excluding Mon
SEA-NRT 7x weekly
DTW-NRT 7x weekly
ATL-NRT 7x weekly
PDX-NRT 7x weekly
MSP-HND 7x weekly
LAX-HND 7x weekly
DTW-NGO 5x weekly, excluding Mon and Wed
HNL-FUK 7x weekly
HNL-NGO 7x weekly
HNL-KIX 7x weekly
HNL-NRT 14x weekly
SPN-NRT 7x weekly
GUM-NRT 12x weekly, excluding Tue and Sat
NRT-PVG 7x weekly
NRT-SIN 7x weekly
NRT-MNL 7x weekly
Total = 142x weekly
Potential new routes for DL and KE:
ICN-BOS KE
JFK-ICN DL (KE will reduce 7x weekly)
ICN-EWR KE
ICN-SJC KE
MSP-ICN DL or ICN-DTW KE
LAX-ICN DL (KE will reduce 6x weekly)
ICN-DEN KE 5x weekly (dark horse)
Last edited by Dalat767; Jun 28, 2017 at 8:01 pm
#458
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I would guess that until that happens, no changes yet.
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#461
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Application was submitted in Korea and the U.S. on July 18, according to this story. Article states that US DOT approval is not necessary due to antitrust immunity granted in 2002 but also indicates that HA and B6 are complaining, so there might be some review. Hangup is with competition authorities in Korea.
No news about KE moving to Tier 1 partner status.
No news about KE moving to Tier 1 partner status.
#462
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Delta announced today that the JV with Korean Air has been approved by the US DOT: https://news.delta.com/delta-korean-...pproval-us-dot
#463
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No surprise here. Real question is when this will go into effect. I assume sometime next year.
#465
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On a related note, brand new Terminal 2 at ICN (to be used by KE, DL, AF, KL) will open Jan 18. Just in time for the Pyeongchang Winter Olympics in February
https://korea.stripes.com/travel/inc...en-jan-18-2018
https://korea.stripes.com/travel/inc...en-jan-18-2018