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Old Jul 23, 2014, 9:36 am
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How long before the pilot union demands big raises to make up for their past givebacks?
not so sure this will happen. Don't forget, they are getting huge profit sharing checks each quarter. Congrats to Delta and all their great employees world wide. Keep UP the great work!
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 9:37 am
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Originally Posted by 3Cforme
The contract has a set amendable date which can be pulled forward by mutual consent. If no new agreement is reached, work continues at last rates/rules while negotiation continues or the union is released by the NMB to seek 'self help', most confrontationally, a strike.

IIRC, the Delta pilots' contract amendable date is 12/2015.
Hindsight, as they say is 20/20. In retrospect the 20% pilot raise and scope relief traded to the company looks like a very favorable deal for Delta.
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 9:43 am
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because they expanded into saturated markets such as ICN-SEA, which already had 2 carriers serving it, thereby diluting the fares, that's why.

Or SEA-Asia in general is overall saturated with tons of seats on multiple carriers. Fares are cheap. All their expansion was in these markets. So PRASM goes down.

Basic economics.


Originally Posted by HongKonger
I wonder why TPAC PRASM is down 3%.
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 9:47 am
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Originally Posted by HongKonger
I wonder why TPAC PRASM is down 3%.
Not only is the Japanese market still relatively weak, but AA and DL have been adding plenty of capacity to Asia, on top of all the capacity added by mainland China carriers. Lots more capacity = lower unit revenues.

Originally Posted by DL2SXM
Don't forget, they are getting huge profit sharing checks each quarter.
No, the employees get profit sharing checks once per year, in February, based on the annual profits of the preceding year. Accounting rules require that the company accrue profit sharing expense every quarter.
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by jasondc
because they expanded into saturated markets such as ICN-SEA, which already had 2 carriers serving it, thereby diluting the fares, that's why.
There are a number of acceptable measures to indicate market saturation. Lots and lots of routes support more than two carriers at reasonable (meaning satisfactory ROIC as one indicator) fares.
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Originally Posted by ClipperDelta
http://news.delta.com/2014-07-23-Del...Quarter-Profit

Another round of record profits:

Net Income excluding specials: $889m = +8.4% margin
Net Income (GAAP): $801m (up 17%) = +7.5% margin
Operating Income excluding specials = $1.61 billion (+15.1% margin)
Operating Income = $1.58 billion (+14.9% margin)
Total Revenues = $10.62 billion (up 9%)
Q2 PRASM up 5.7% (mostly driven by DOmestic up 10% and Atlantic up 7%, while Pacific was down 3%).

Expect to have an operating margin (excluding specials) of +15 to 17% for Q3 2014.
Guess that change to giving TCON upgrades really paid off....
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Originally Posted by HongKonger
I wonder why TPAC PRASM is down 3%.
Customers spoke w/ their wallet. DL's TPAC product, ahem, blows.
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 10:27 am
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Customers spoke w/ their wallet. DL's TPAC product, ahem, blows.
But it's not better or worse than it was before, so that hasn't changed.
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Originally Posted by Beckles
How long before the pilot union demands big raises to make up for their past givebacks?
Originally Posted by DL2SXM
not so sure this will happen. Don't forget, they are getting huge profit sharing checks each quarter.
I'm not sure they prefer getting quarterly and/or annual profit sharing payments rather than a higher monthly salary that is not impacted by the economy, consumer sentiment, fuel prices, and other factors they can not control.
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 11:20 am
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Very good quarter, they are doing many things right these days.
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 11:48 am
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Great job Delta Air Lines employees. Keep up the hard work! ^^
Originally Posted by Beckles
How long before the pilot union demands big raises to make up for their past givebacks?
demands and DALPA? hahahahahahaha now that is funny.

Last contract the pilots got raises (but also took a cut in profit sharing).

Also frontline employee got the same raise for profit sharing idea as well as finally getting the 5 week of vacation back. (Delta was the only of the big 5 to have 4 weeks of vacation.)
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 11:51 am
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Originally Posted by Dawgfan6291
...Also frontline employee got the same raise for profit sharing idea as well as finally getting the 5th week of vacation back. (Delta was the only of the big 5 to have 4 weeks of vacation.)
Bolding mine - after 25 years of service, that is.

Good quarterly report, keep climbing!
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 11:56 am
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Originally Posted by jasondc
because they expanded into saturated markets such as ICN-SEA, which already had 2 carriers serving it, thereby diluting the fares, that's why.

Or SEA-Asia in general is overall saturated with tons of seats on multiple carriers. Fares are cheap. All their expansion was in these markets. So PRASM goes down.

Basic economics.
Also remember that DL dropped several Asian routes in March that effectively balanced out the gains in new routes. Flipping the bird to the SF Bay Area and Silicon Valley has not gone over well.
DL is now trying to match fares with the Asian carriers and unfortunately they have an inferior soft product. Until they can teach their FA's to keep restrooms clean, they always will.
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 12:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Dawgfan6291
demands and DALPA? hahahahahahaha now that is funny.
If the patient (Delta)had a heart attack (bankruptcy), does it make sense to challenge him with a marathon (large pay demands)? Although so far it looks like the patient has fully recovered and more

Originally Posted by Dawgfan6291
Last contract the pilots got raises (but also took a cut in profit sharing).
They also traded-off some scope too. The contract was approved by 62%, which depending on your viewpoint is either a comfortable margin or somewhat close to under 50%.

Originally Posted by Dawgfan6291
Also frontline employee got the same raise for profit sharing idea as well as finally getting the 5 week of vacation back. (Delta was the only of the big 5 to have 4 weeks of vacation.)
Ah yes the union/ non-union sword, hanging over Delta management's head, like some ever present Sword of Damocles.
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 12:02 pm
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Don't worry. It can't last and DL will be in the tubes as soon as all the HVCs leave.
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