Pay with miles less than award mileage
Jul 18, 2014, 5:24 pm
#1
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Pay with miles less than award mileage
I am sure others have seen this phenomena (I could not find the thread on it) but whilst doing an award travel I got 55k miles and $85 in taxes while PWM came out to be 55k miles and $78. I guess it is a sign of things to come.
I sure wish Delta would just get on with it - this screwing around is now way too old. Oh and I got a new low for the website functionality. On the "shopping->flights" page I entered a departure city, a destination city, a departure date, and a return date. Then search. Guess what the website gave me:
Error:
You must enter a departure city.
You must enter a destination city.
You must enter a departure date.
I sure wish Delta would just get on with it - this screwing around is now way too old. Oh and I got a new low for the website functionality. On the "shopping->flights" page I entered a departure city, a destination city, a departure date, and a return date. Then search. Guess what the website gave me:
Error:
You must enter a departure city.
You must enter a destination city.
You must enter a departure date.
Last edited by FlyingUnderTheRadar; Jul 18, 2014 at 6:06 pm
Jul 18, 2014, 8:12 pm
#3
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It has always been the case that PWM could be cheaper than awards. Have no idea why you see this as some "sign of things to come".
And what is DL screwing around with?
And why does it matter which is cheaper? Probably a bad use of miles either way.
And what is DL screwing around with?
And why does it matter which is cheaper? Probably a bad use of miles either way.
Jul 18, 2014, 9:16 pm
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Oh and I got a new low for the website functionality. On the "shopping->flights" page I entered a departure city, a destination city, a departure date, and a return date. Then search. Guess what the website gave me:
Error:
You must enter a departure city.
You must enter a destination city.
You must enter a departure date.
Error:
You must enter a departure city.
You must enter a destination city.
You must enter a departure date.
Jul 18, 2014, 10:44 pm
#5
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The fact that they're witholding saver level award inventory, and attempting to limit the redemption value of miles. Hence, the sign of things to come being the award chart going away altogether and a switch to FBATR.
Jul 19, 2014, 7:57 am
#7
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When has it been any different? DL has always had very thin "saver" award availability.
I just did a search to check the PWM option... found something strange...
CAK-BOS fare of $81 or PWM 25k miles
Same day, but different flight/different fare class:
CAK-BOS fare $116 or PWM 10k miles + $16
Last edited by bajrbajr; Jul 19, 2014 at 8:08 am
Jul 19, 2014, 9:05 am
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One thing to consider on PWM vs. Award tickets is the ability to change them...
PWM are treated like revenue tix (and appropriate change fees) while award tix come with the $150 change fee that is waived for PM/DM.
If the mileage for an award ticket is close, I'd consider it, especially if I think a change could be required.
PWM are treated like revenue tix (and appropriate change fees) while award tix come with the $150 change fee that is waived for PM/DM.
If the mileage for an award ticket is close, I'd consider it, especially if I think a change could be required.
Jul 19, 2014, 10:36 am
#9
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One thing to consider on PWM vs. Award tickets is the ability to change them...
PWM are treated like revenue tix (and appropriate change fees) while award tix come with the $150 change fee that is waived for PM/DM.
If the mileage for an award ticket is close, I'd consider it, especially if I think a change could be required.
PWM are treated like revenue tix (and appropriate change fees) while award tix come with the $150 change fee that is waived for PM/DM.
If the mileage for an award ticket is close, I'd consider it, especially if I think a change could be required.
Jul 19, 2014, 11:18 am
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One thing to consider on PWM vs. Award tickets is the ability to change them...
PWM are treated like revenue tix (and appropriate change fees) while award tix come with the $150 change fee that is waived for PM/DM.
If the mileage for an award ticket is close, I'd consider it, especially if I think a change could be required.
PWM are treated like revenue tix (and appropriate change fees) while award tix come with the $150 change fee that is waived for PM/DM.
If the mileage for an award ticket is close, I'd consider it, especially if I think a change could be required.
Yes but if it is an seat in F and as long as at least $1 of the base fare is paid with cash you get all your MQM's and RDM's (well at least until 2015 when you won't get RDM's anymore).
Jul 19, 2014, 1:18 pm
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For fares less than $100:
•Redeem 25,000 miles to cover the total fare
For fares equal to or greater than $100 and less than $250:
•Redeem 10,000 miles for $100 off the total fare or
•Increase the redemption to 25,000 miles and increase from that point in increments of 5,000 miles ($50 off) to cover the total fare
Jul 19, 2014, 2:29 pm
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One thing to consider on PWM vs. Award tickets is the ability to change them...
PWM are treated like revenue tix (and appropriate change fees) while award tix come with the $150 change fee that is waived for PM/DM.
If the mileage for an award ticket is close, I'd consider it, especially if I think a change could be required.
PWM are treated like revenue tix (and appropriate change fees) while award tix come with the $150 change fee that is waived for PM/DM.
If the mileage for an award ticket is close, I'd consider it, especially if I think a change could be required.
Jul 19, 2014, 7:07 pm
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I am getting tired of Delta screwing around changing this, then changing that. If they want to change the program or service change the damn thing at the being of the year and be done with it for the year. I.e. the last change no more snacks with the HOOU.
Jul 20, 2014, 12:05 am
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When PWM was first implemented you could find such fares, and there is nothing that presumes otherwise.
Jul 20, 2014, 12:44 am
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PWM when they permitted MQM earnings on F/J PWM tickets.