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Old Jul 13, 2014, 2:22 pm
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Early in the morning of July 13, a Delta 747 returned to Tel Aviv after its flaps failed to retract shortly after takeoff.

The plane landed without any problems and no one required medical attention. The flight was then rescheduled to depart roughly 22 hours after its original departure time.

Delta 747 Makes Emergency Landing in Tel Aviv After Flaps Problem
A New York-bound Delta Air Lines 747 declared an emergency shortly after takeoff from Ben Gurion Airport and returned to Tel Aviv.

Delta Flight 469, with 370 passengers and 17 crew members on board, landed safely...
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Old Jul 12, 2014, 5:10 pm
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TLV-JFK dumping fuel to make emergency landing?

Just saw on twitter that today's the TLV-JFK flight is dumping fuel over the Mediterranean south of Cyprus and will make an emergency landing back in TLV.

Anyone heard this?

Twitter link from an official Israeli feed: Link
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Old Jul 12, 2014, 5:43 pm
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Apparently due to landing gear/flap issues.

(no source sorry!)
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Old Jul 12, 2014, 8:04 pm
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Yes, flaps issues.
Source in Hebrew (with pictures):
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4542400,00.html

Not much is said: Flaps issues, circled for ~90 minutes to burn fuel, landed without issues, nobody needed medical attention.

Edit: Aircraft is N668US. Flight has been rescheduled as DL9859 on 13JUL14 at 10:30pm local, 22 hours later than original schedule. Hopefully most pax were rerouted on ST partners through Europe.

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Old Jul 12, 2014, 10:51 pm
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Originally Posted by sawtooth
Just saw on twitter that today's the TLV-JFK flight is dumping fuel over the Mediterranean south of Cyprus and will make an emergency landing back in TLV.

Anyone heard this?

Twitter link from an official Israeli feed: Link
Originally Posted by misterbean
Yes, flaps issues.
Source in Hebrew (with pictures):
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4542400,00.html

Not much is said: Flaps issues, circled for ~90 minutes to burn fuel, landed
without issues, nobody needed medical attention.

Edit: Aircraft is N668US. Flight has been rescheduled as DL9859 on 13JUL14 at 10:30pm local, 22 hours later than original schedule. Hopefully most pax were rerouted on ST partners through Europe.
Dumping fuel or flying around for a while to burn fuel before landing? there is a difference.....
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Old Jul 12, 2014, 11:06 pm
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Does anybody know what onward flights are goofed up becsuse of this?
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More info (from our newsroom) in English here:

Delta 747 Makes Emergency Landing in Tel Aviv After Flaps Problem
A New York-bound Delta Air Lines 747 declared an emergency shortly after takeoff from Ben Gurion Airport and returned to Tel Aviv.

Delta Flight 469, with 370 passengers and 17 crew members on board, landed safely...
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 5:56 am
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Does anybody know what onward flights are goofed up becsuse of this?
DL473 to NRT has an 80 min delay. Looks like they're planning on sending DL172 back to NRT this afternoon instead of TLV tonight. I suspect that'll lead to some delays for tomorrow evening's NRT departure bank.

Not sure where tonight's TLV plane will come from. (Flightaware says the inbound aircraft is DL158 from ICN-DTW, so perhaps that a/c will be ferried to JFK from DTW this evening).
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 7:56 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
Dumping fuel or flying around for a while to burn fuel before landing? there is a difference.....
Dumping reduces ful load much, much faster.

Circling is usually while they are running checklist to see if they can diagnose the problem or decide what course of action to take. Once the decision to return to TLV is taken, they then need to calculate how much fuel to dump to be under the maximum landing weight.
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 10:58 am
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Can and are they allowed to dump fuel over land or even over a city? One usually hears about fuel dumps over a big body of water?
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 12:17 pm
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Fuel dumped at altitude evaporates before it hits the ground/sea.
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 12:33 pm
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[QUOTE=sawtooth;23186107]Just saw on twitter that today's the TLV-JFK flight is dumping fuel over the Mediterranean south of Cyprus and will make an emergency landing back in TLV.

Anyone heard this?

Twitter link from an official Israeli feed:[URL="https://twitter.com/IsraelHatzolah/status/488096714855698432/photo/1"] Link[/

Delta has had delay issues on the Tel Aviv route before and I have always said Delta needs new long haul fleet which would save them money. Also Delta lacks security unlike El Al. Not sure if this was really a flap issue or due to other circumstances due to the ongoing military action. But to squash these concerns Delta should equip all jets with missile defense and institute stronger security. I was under impression JFK was downscaling to a 777 and this would be more appropriate till newer replacements come in.
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 1:25 pm
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Originally Posted by adamj023
Delta should equip all jets with missile defense
Huh?!?!? Seriously?!?!?
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 1:35 pm
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Originally Posted by adamj023
Not sure if this was really a flap issue or due to other circumstances due to the ongoing military action.
Is there some kind of ongoing military action in New York City of which I am unaware?

You can't be referring to the fighting going on in Israel as the plane had already left Israeli airspace and was out of range of any rockets. It would make no sense at all to return to TLV if it was concerned about military action here.
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Not all airliners can dump fuel.
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 1:42 pm
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Originally Posted by adamj023
Not sure if this was really a flap issue or due to other circumstances due to the ongoing military action.
What are you not sure about this since the facts and circumstances have been clearly documented?


Originally Posted by adamj023
I was under impression JFK was downscaling to a 777 and this would be more appropriate till newer replacements come in.
Appropriate in what way? If Delta is filling up the 747s, that would be the most appropriate plane, no?
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